[APG Public List] [TGF] [APG Members] Source Citationstudy groupcommencinc soon

Morris Simon mosimon at comcast.net
Thu Jun 10 19:27:39 MDT 2010

For the uninitated such as myself, could someone please provide a brief 
description of the differences between the "TGF" and ProGen models of 
discussion? I presume they refer to workshop methods which I have not had 
the pleasure of experiencing. Perhaps there's a link to a website or two 
which will get me up to speed on the jargon?


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jacqueline Wilson" <wilssearch at me.com>
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Subject: Re: [APG Public List] [TGF] [APG Members] Source Citationstudy 
groupcommencinc soon

Michelle, would this include an analysis of the records as well as how
to source them?

I am all for a discussion, on whatever list, about the first two
chapters of EE.  I want to make sure I have the fundamentals down
before I try citing on my own.

Larry - for me, it means giving up End Note!

On Jun 10, 2010, at 7:24 PM, Michele Kemper wrote:


It is not so much a competitive race than a different approach to the
same information.

The Yahoo group you have started is designed to focus on source
citation. My proposal was to look at the different records and discuss
them as well as looking as source citation. Having it on an open
discussion forum such as TGF would allow Elizabeth and other experts
to help those of us trying to learn.


From: LBoswell <laboswell at rogers.com>
To: "Elissa Scalise Powell, CG" <Elissa at PowellGenealogy.com>; Michele
Kemper <misha412 at yahoo.com>; APGMembersOnlyList at apgen.org; 
APGPublicList at apgen.org
; transitional-genealogists-forum at rootsweb.com
Sent: Thu, June 10, 2010 7:58:20 PM
Subject: Re: [APG Public List] [TGF] [APG Members] Source
Citationstudy groupcommencinc soon

Excellent ideas, and they all serve the same ultimate goals.  You'd
think this was a competitive race though.  I think I've kicked open a
pent up desire to learn here.

Remember though that  I have nothing to gain and much to lose since
this has become such a public issue on these lists today, but my
intentions are
honest and my motives are to try to make a small contribution
to improving discussions on this subject.  The more places people
have to turn to deepen their understanding of source citations (or any
other genealogical matter), the better.  Obviously the demand is there
more information, more opportunities to expand knowledge on this
But that's the way genealogists are built.  There's always a greater
for new opportunities to learn than there are venues available, so I'm
pleased to see this sudden creative response to a long neglected need.

I hope some of the people who have joined the yahoo study group
also take part in these ventures, and bring the ideas and knowledge
back to our
little effort in turn.  And maybe the reverse will happen too.


Larry Boswell BA, PLCGS
in Historical & Genealogical Research"
Listowner, TheoryGen (a
non-archived list)
Ontario, Canada
laboswell at rogers.com
----- Original Message -----
> From: Elissa Scalise Powell, CG
> To: 'Michele Kemper' ; APGMembersOnlyList at apgen.org ;
> APGPublicList at apgen.org ; transitional-genealogists-forum at rootsweb.com
> Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 7:43
> PM
> Subject: Re: [APG Public List] [TGF] [APG
> Members] Source Citationstudy groupcommencinc soon
> Michele,
> I agree that it could work. We just finished the
> Standards Manual. Perhaps it is time to move onto systematic EE 
> discussions on
> TGF.
> Or another approach is to take the ProGen model and use EE
> instead of ProGen. The model has a proven track record and is  described 
> in an
> article by Angela McGhie in an APG Quarterly. The model includes  smaller
> groups for manageable discussions but with an experienced mentor.  The 
> mentor
> does not lead the group but only advises and acts as a resource. It  works 
> well
> and lets peers step up and practice leadership skills. Of course  those 
> peer
> leaders have to be found -- and the more the merrier. No kings or  queens 
> here!
> <g>
> It will be interesting to see how this resolves.
> -- 
> Elissa in Pittsburgh this week and Birmingham next week
> Elissa Scalise
> Powell, CG
> www.PowellGenealogy.com
> CG and
> Certified Genealogist are Service Marks of the Board for  Certification of
> Genealogists, used under license by board certificants after periodic
> evaluations by the Board.
>> -----Original Message-----
> From: On Behalf Of Michele Kemper
>> Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 7:33
> PM
>> I think a step by step discussion of EE would be a good
> fit for TGF or the open APG list.
>> That would allow everyone to discuss
> the topics openly and get expert input into the
>> subject matter. Since
> EE examines a wide range of records, it could be more than looking
>> at
> source citation, but looking at the breadth and depth of records
> available.
>> Any thoughts?
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