[APG Public List] Who Are We, Really?

Wanda Samek wanda at sameks.us
Sat Oct 3 11:48:40 MDT 2009

It seems to me that basic elementary level classes are readily available,
many at little or no cost, through local chapters, libraries, internet
offerings, etc.  
It follows that our national conferences should ideally be aimed at a higher
level of instruction - probably intermediate, but certainly advanced.  They
should be styled to attract those who have gone beyond a mild interest in
hobby genealogy and focus on those who are serious researchers and are
seeking more than is readily available locally.
Wanda Samek

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[mailto:apgpubliclist-bounces at apgen.org] On Behalf Of Alvie L. Davidson CG
Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2009 9:10 AM
To: 'Amy Crow'; 'Jeanette Daniels'
Cc: apgpubliclist at apgen.org; Rolgeiger at aol.com
Subject: Re: [APG Public List] Who Are We, Really?

Good morning Amy

I totally agree with you by taking the titles of each of these presentations
and assuming they definitely are not basic.

Several years ago I took in a presentation entitled something like “Probate
and Genealogy” and the presenter was a judge.

I don’t recall where this was but I sat through half of the presentation and
got bored out of my gourd as the presenter just stood 

Before the podium and read a dissertation of sorts.  There was no visual of
any sort.

I would love to personally see some of these you listed, such as
“Congressional Hearings” or “Inferential Genealogy”.

Just my two cents worth.


Alvie L. Davidson CG
Lakeland, Florida


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[mailto:apgpubliclist-bounces at apgen.org] On Behalf Of Amy Crow
Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2009 9:47 AM
To: Jeanette Daniels
Cc: apgpubliclist at apgen.org; Rolgeiger at aol.com
Subject: Re: [APG Public List] Who Are We, Really?


I don't think it is accurate to say that the national conferences "want to
keep them at the basic elementary level for the benefit of those just
starting in genealogy." In looking over the program for last month's FGS
conference in Little Rock, for example, I found these topics: "Murder and
Mayhem on the River: The Life of the Harpes," "Beyond the Dawes Rolls,"
"Congressional Hearings: A Primer on This Valuable Resource," "Genealogical
Application of Historical GIS," "Women and the Law," "Researching the Family
Business," "Inferential Genealogy," "Negro Soldiers of Antebellum


I don't think you can classify any of those as being at the "basic
elementary level for the benefit of those just starting genealogy."  (There
were several other such topics, but I didn't think anyone wanted me to
enumerate all of them.)


The difficulty in planning the program for a national (or even a state)
conference, as has been mentioned before, is that there is a **wide**
variety of attendees. Some are novices; others are professionals. Most fall
somewhere in between at any point on spectrum. 


Amy Crow



On Oct 2, 2009, at 10:52 PM, Jeanette Daniels wrote:

Dear APG Public list,


I have truly enjoyed reading all the comments by everyone about Who Are We,
Really? as well as the National Conferences.  It is great to have this type
of dialogue.  It appears that those involved with the National Conferences
want to keep them at the basic elementary level for the benefit of those
just starting in genealogy.  Others would like a more what I call a
"Continuing Education" type of conference where detailed studies are
presented in methology or research.  I believe that both are beneficial.
I've been thinking how everyone that wants to be included could without a
lot of expense and ways that those who want to share can without again a lot
of expense. 


I'm thinking of Roland in Germany and Larry in Canada as well as the fact
that in the US we live in at least 4 different time zones.  How can we all
contribute to a presentation that we feel would benefit others and avoid
having all interested from spending a lot money to attend?  The Internet is
my answer and I believe that Internet Continuing Education type conferences
can be created cheaply.  I work with Heritage Genealogical College and it
would be possible to create an APG or independent conference online through
its website.  HGC could donate space and create conference presentation
locations on its site.  Or if APG wanted to create something on its website
that would be great as well.  But I'm not sure that APG is willing or able
to do something like this.


If anyone is interested in something like this and in coming up with topics
and presentations, please respond.  I believe that everyone that wants more
detailed presentations can be included.  Below are some suggested general
topics that might be interested to explore with such online conference


Cemetery plot research


Land title disputes


Missing heir research cases


Forensic and anthropological research


Medical DNA research


Historical research


Specific genealogical research projects


Improving the Genealogical Proof Standard








From: "Rolgeiger at aol.com" <Rolgeiger at aol.com>
To: apgpubliclist at apgen.org
Sent: Fri, October 2, 2009 4:58:05 PM
Subject: Re: [APG Public List] Who Are We, Really?

In einer eMail vom 03.10.2009 00:33:42 Westeuropäische Normalzeit schreibt
mary at heirlines.com:

Is genealogy a viable occupation?  Should we have a profession for the
practitioner? Why is there no profession in genealogy?   Who would benefit
from having a real profession in genealogy?  What is stopping us from
starting now and organizing a real profession in genealogy?  Why shouldn’t
we organize a profession so we can have the authority in Professional
Genealogy  to establish best practices, standards, ethics, education degree
programs, competency testing and verifiable maintenance,
continuing-education, verifiable practitioner credentialing, members-only
profession practitioner and trade organizations?  With a real profession in
genealogy, what would be the exclusive practitioner title?  

Yeah, and once you have all that, what about us on the other side of an U.S.
border? Why should we care about what you consider or what you arrange?


Here in Germany genealogy is more or a less a hobby. There are some very few
of us who do it for money and there are a majority of others who look at us
with ravaging eyes stating on every opportunity they have how much they
don't like what we do. To be a professional may be a reason to be excluded
from one of the many German genealogical forums.


But like in the States everyone of us professionals has never passed an
examination or something like that. There is a group of professionals who
joined in a specific associtiation with its own "Code of Honor". I got an
invitation to join them but had no opportunity yet to visit one of the
conferences during which the accept new members. But there would be no need
to join them to work as a professional researcher. I've been working in the
matter for at least 15 years, specialising in emigration to the US (because
I speak English :-) and other stuff. So - when the company I worked for -
fired me five years ago, I became a professional researcher. Among other
things. I went to our Public Record Office, told them about the company I
would like to found (you need a company to be able to sell your own written
products), payed the fee of 30 Euros - and there was I facing the world
through my computer and said: "Hello, here I am!" Well, some came, other
didn't or haven't yet. :-)


You are lucky in the States. Genealogy is a common thing overthere on high
level. Here it's not much more than just another part of historic research
(I know a lady here in our county, historian by trade, who would never to
genealogy, oh my goodness, no such things - but that's less arrogance but
ignorance - in case there is a difference). People are not used to spend
more money in that subject than necessary - necessary would be fees for the
Public Record Office or the dioces archives or national or city archives.
Costs you cannot avoid. They pay without hesitation. But if you (or I) offer
the same service - maybe cheaper - well, that's not the same.


Oops, it's getting late (one in the monring).


Good night.


Roland Geiger


Roland Geiger
Historical and Genalogical Research
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66606 St. Wendel
phone ++49 - 6851-3166
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www.geiger-roland.de <http://www.geiger-roland.de/> 

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