[APG Public List] Who Are We, Really?
amy at amyjohnsoncrow.com
Sat Oct 3 08:14:36 MDT 2009
How any one judges a particular presentation is, of course, up to the
individual. However, those *topics* -- regardless of how they are
presented -- are *not* for those at the "basic elementary level."
Would you tell a rank beginner to start with something beyond the
Dawes Rolls, or to take a stab at Congressional hearings? Would you
expect someone at the basic elementary level to listen to (let alone
understand) a lecture on inferential genealogy?
This isn't to say that there are some who would like to see even more
in-depth/advanced presentations at national conferences. What I'm
trying to point out is that there are some already there and that
national conferences are not just for those at the "basic elementary
On Oct 3, 2009, at 10:02 AM, Jeanette Daniels wrote:
> We are all at different levels of research experience, and what
> seems like a more advanced presentation to one, isn't to another. I
> can't tell anything from the titles as to whether the presenter will
> be presenting his topic in depth enough for me to be more than
> The suggestions yesterday were for more in depth presentations that
> if needed would last more than 50 minutes. Or that these
> presentations cover material in more specific ways than usually
> happens in the national conference format. National conferences can
> stay the way that they are and be there for the general public,
> beginners and those who think that the conference presentations are
> at a higher level. Obviously, not everyone feels this way. Those
> who need something beyond should be allowed to explain their
> thoughts and desires.
> From: Amy Crow <amy at amyjohnsoncrow.com>
> To: Jeanette Daniels <jeanettedaniels8667 at yahoo.com>
> Cc: Rolgeiger at aol.com; apgpubliclist at apgen.org
> Sent: Sat, October 3, 2009 7:47:17 AM
> Subject: Re: [APG Public List] Who Are We, Really?
> I don't think it is accurate to say that the national conferences
> "want to keep them at the basic elementary level for the benefit of
> those just starting in genealogy." In looking over the program for
> last month's FGS conference in Little Rock, for example, I found
> these topics: "Murder and Mayhem on the River: The Life of the
> Harpes," "Beyond the Dawes Rolls," "Congressional Hearings: A Primer
> on This Valuable Resource," "Genealogical Application of Historical
> GIS," "Women and the Law," "Researching the Family Business,"
> "Inferential Genealogy," "Negro Soldiers of Antebellum Louisiana".
> I don't think you can classify any of those as being at the "basic
> elementary level for the benefit of those just starting
> genealogy." (There were several other such topics, but I didn't
> think anyone wanted me to enumerate all of them.)
> The difficulty in planning the program for a national (or even a
> state) conference, as has been mentioned before, is that there is a
> **wide** variety of attendees. Some are novices; others are
> professionals. Most fall somewhere in between at any point on
> Amy Crow
> On Oct 2, 2009, at 10:52 PM, Jeanette Daniels wrote:
>> Dear APG Public list,
>> I have truly enjoyed reading all the comments by everyone about Who
>> Are We, Really? as well as the National Conferences. It is great
>> to have this type of dialogue. It appears that those involved with
>> the National Conferences want to keep them at the basic elementary
>> level for the benefit of those just starting in genealogy. Others
>> would like a more what I call a "Continuing Education" type of
>> conference where detailed studies are presented in methology or
>> research. I believe that both are beneficial. I've been thinking
>> how everyone that wants to be included could without a lot of
>> expense and ways that those who want to share can without again a
>> lot of expense.
>> I'm thinking of Roland in Germany and Larry in Canada as well as
>> the fact that in the US we live in at least 4 different time
>> zones. How can we all contribute to a presentation that we feel
>> would benefit others and avoid having all interested from spending
>> a lot money to attend? The Internet is my answer and I believe
>> that Internet Continuing Education type conferences can be created
>> cheaply. I work with Heritage Genealogical College and it would be
>> possible to create an APG or independent conference online through
>> its website. HGC could donate space and create conference
>> presentation locations on its site. Or if APG wanted to create
>> something on its website that would be great as well. But I'm not
>> sure that APG is willing or able to do something like this.
>> If anyone is interested in something like this and in coming up
>> with topics and presentations, please respond. I believe that
>> everyone that wants more detailed presentations can be included.
>> Below are some suggested general topics that might be interested to
>> explore with such online conference presentations.
>> Cemetery plot research
>> Land title disputes
>> Missing heir research cases
>> Forensic and anthropological research
>> Medical DNA research
>> Historical research
>> Specific genealogical research projects
>> Improving the Genealogical Proof Standard
>> From: "Rolgeiger at aol.com" <Rolgeiger at aol.com>
>> To: apgpubliclist at apgen.org
>> Sent: Fri, October 2, 2009 4:58:05 PM
>> Subject: Re: [APG Public List] Who Are We, Really?
>> In einer eMail vom 03.10.2009 00:33:42 Westeuropäische Normalzeit
>> schreibt mary at heirlines.com:
>> Is genealogy a viable occupation? Should we have a profession for
>> the practitioner? Why is there no profession in genealogy? Who
>> would benefit from having a real profession in genealogy? What is
>> stopping us from starting now and organizing a real profession in
>> genealogy? Why shouldn’t we organize a profession so we can have
>> the authority in Professional Genealogy to establish best
>> practices, standards, ethics, education degree programs, competency
>> testing and verifiable maintenance, continuing-education,
>> verifiable practitioner credentialing, members-only profession
>> practitioner and trade organizations? With a real profession in
>> genealogy, what would be the exclusive practitioner title?
>> Yeah, and once you have all that, what about us on the other side
>> of an U.S. border? Why should we care about what you consider or
>> what you arrange?
>> Here in Germany genealogy is more or a less a hobby. There are some
>> very few of us who do it for money and there are a majority of
>> others who look at us with ravaging eyes stating on every
>> opportunity they have how much they don't like what we do. To be a
>> professional may be a reason to be excluded from one of the many
>> German genealogical forums.
>> But like in the States everyone of us professionals has never
>> passed an examination or something like that. There is a group of
>> professionals who joined in a specific associtiation with its own
>> "Code of Honor". I got an invitation to join them but had no
>> opportunity yet to visit one of the conferences during which the
>> accept new members. But there would be no need to join them to work
>> as a professional researcher. I've been working in the matter for
>> at least 15 years, specialising in emigration to the US (because I
>> speak English :-) and other stuff. So - when the company I worked
>> for - fired me five years ago, I became a professional researcher.
>> Among other things. I went to our Public Record Office, told them
>> about the company I would like to found (you need a company to be
>> able to sell your own written products), payed the fee of 30 Euros
>> - and there was I facing the world through my computer and said:
>> "Hello, here I am!" Well, some came, other didn't or haven't yet. :-)
>> You are lucky in the States. Genealogy is a common thing overthere
>> on high level. Here it's not much more than just another part of
>> historic research (I know a lady here in our county, historian by
>> trade, who would never to genealogy, oh my goodness, no such things
>> - but that's less arrogance but ignorance - in case there is a
>> difference). People are not used to spend more money in that
>> subject than necessary - necessary would be fees for the Public
>> Record Office or the dioces archives or national or city archives.
>> Costs you cannot avoid. They pay without hesitation. But if you (or
>> I) offer the same service - maybe cheaper - well, that's not the
>> Oops, it's getting late (one in the monring).
>> Good night.
>> Roland Geiger
>> Roland Geiger
>> Historical and Genalogical Research
>> Alsfassener Strasse 17
>> 66606 St. Wendel
>> phone ++49 - 6851-3166
>> email rolgeiger at aol.com
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>> => local history
>> => transcriptions (f.e. old German into modern)
>> => guided tours through St. Wendel County (uhm, St. Wendel, Germany!)
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