<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML xmlns="http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40" xmlns:v = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word"><HEAD> <META content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1" http-equiv=Content-Type> <META name=GENERATOR content="MSHTML 8.00.6001.18975"> <STYLE>@page Section1 {size: 8.5in 11.0in; margin: 1.0in 1.0in 1.0in 1.0in; } P.MsoNormal { MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman"; FONT-SIZE: 12pt } LI.MsoNormal { MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman"; FONT-SIZE: 12pt } DIV.MsoNormal { MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman"; FONT-SIZE: 12pt } P.MsoNormalIndent { MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman"; FONT-SIZE: 12pt } LI.MsoNormalIndent { MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman"; FONT-SIZE: 12pt } DIV.MsoNormalIndent { MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman"; FONT-SIZE: 12pt } P.MsoFootnoteText { MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman"; FONT-SIZE: 10pt } LI.MsoFootnoteText { MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman"; FONT-SIZE: 10pt } DIV.MsoFootnoteText { MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman"; FONT-SIZE: 10pt } A:link { COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline } SPAN.MsoHyperlink { COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline } A:visited { COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline } SPAN.MsoHyperlinkFollowed { COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline } P.Style1 { MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman"; FONT-SIZE: 12pt } LI.Style1 { MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman"; FONT-SIZE: 12pt } DIV.Style1 { MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman"; FONT-SIZE: 12pt } P.Footnote { MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman"; FONT-SIZE: 12pt } LI.Footnote { MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman"; FONT-SIZE: 12pt } DIV.Footnote { MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman"; FONT-SIZE: 12pt } SPAN.EmailStyle21 { FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; mso-style-type: personal-reply } DIV.Section1 { page: Section1 } </STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY lang=EN-US link=blue bgColor=white vLink=blue> <DIV>I'll keep replying online on these lists when asked questions.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>No, it's for those reasons you suggest, but it's very much about historical research.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> <DIV>The main use I have for them from a research point of view is two fold.  One to pull all the different jurisdictional name changes under one common 'tag' (the coordinates shared by all).  That is very much useful for finding record sources because often records end up in modern repositories, municipal archives and so on.  On a modern map I can see where those records might have been carted off to.  That's particularly important in UK research where records for one location might have been pulled into a repository related to a past jurisdictional boundary that is no longer apparent today.  Just being able to use the historical name that's in the record, instead of substituting the modern name is a plus for research needs (in the way you describe yourself).  I don't need to worry that someone won't know what/where the place named is (because it's tied to coordinates, along with its later name changes).  So name is by what's in the record, no concerns thanks to tying it to a set of coordinates (the coordinates are neither modern nor historical, they just are locators).</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Second is to use a historical overlay on google earth, locate historical locations (for example streets lost under modern freeways or buildings),  use my cursor with overlay to obtain coordinates.  Then see where those coordinates are on current map on google earth.  Again it tells me where records might have ended up because I can see what modern jurisdictions etc contain those historical locations.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>other uses, to track patterns of migrations, use coordinates on a topographical map to trace whether two seemingly close locations actually were 'geographically/physically' accessible, one to the other.  The uses are endless and they're all related to research needs.  I'm sure people have far more creative ways of enhancing research needs by using these then I'm using.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Does any of that make sense from your research pov?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Larry</DIV> </DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px" dir=ltr> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=jncrandell@broadweave.net href="mailto:jncrandell@broadweave.net">Jill N. Crandell</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=apgpubliclist@apgen.org href="mailto:apgpubliclist@apgen.org">apgpubliclist@apgen.org</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, October 25, 2010 8:16 PM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [APG Public List] place names</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV class=Section1> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT color=navy size=2 face=Arial><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">While reading this conversation about historical place names, modern place names, and GPS coordinates, I have wondered if the differences of opinion also have to do with differences in purpose. Larry can correct me if I am misinterpreting his comments, but it seems to me that he has a particular interest in locating places on a map of today, especially for clients to find family historical places. My reaction is that I wouldn’t use GPS coordinates. My intent in recording place names is to use the historical names so that records for that jurisdiction can be located for research purposes. I also feel that the “place” an event occurred had to exist at the time it occurred. GPS coordinates and modern place names don’t meet the needs for my purposes. I have used GPS coordinates to locate a specific grave within a cemetery, especially in a large cemetery or for an unmarked grave, but I have not used them for larger, more general place designations.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT color=navy size=2 face=Arial><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT color=navy size=2 face=Arial><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Just some thoughts,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT color=navy size=2 face=Arial><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Jill <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT color=navy size=2 face=Arial><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT color=navy size=2 face=Arial><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Jill N. Crandell, AG®<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>