<html xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:dt="uuid:C2F41010-65B3-11d1-A29F-00AA00C14882" xmlns:m="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/2004/12/omml" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40"> <head> <meta http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> <meta name=ProgId content=Word.Document> <meta name=Generator content="Microsoft Word 12"> <meta name=Originator content="Microsoft Word 12"> <link rel=File-List href="cid:filelist.xml@01CB495F.3C9B1BB0">  <style>  </style>  </head> <body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple style='tab-interval:.5in'> <div class=WordSection1> Jeanette:<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> For the record:<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> A. I did not and would not have called you a liar. We are all human and humans tend to remember matters differently. When someone's recollection differs from mine, in a public way that involves me, I ask for a clarification. I would hope that I do so tactfully. If I don't, then I would fault myself---and others would fault me for it.<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> B. I was not aware that you or Larry were asked to leave the TGF-list until well after it happened. <o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> In Craig's case, I am aware of his departure only because he e-mailed me personally a short while ago. I found that message about 45 minutes ago and responded to him personally, expressing my sincere thought that I will miss him on the list. Since then I've received two more "mass mailings" about the situation, with my name included on the "to" line.<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> I will not comment further upon either of your experiences. I would appreciate it if you would not include me in these group mailings. Jeanette, you and I have long known each other and I've appreciated much you have done in the field. Craig, I known for far fewer years and only via the lists, we’ve never met personally, but I have valued many of the contributions he has made to the lists. I would prefer to remain friends and colleagues with both of you without the drama.<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> Most sincerely,<o:p></o:p> Elizabeth<o:p></o:p> <div style='mso-element:para-border-div;border:none;border-bottom:solid windowtext 1.5pt; padding:0in 0in 1.0pt 0in'> <o:p> </o:p> </div> Elizabeth Shown Mills, CG, CGL, FASG<o:p></o:p> Tennessee<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> <o:p> </o:p> -----Original Message----- From: Craig Kilby [mailto:persisto@live.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 5:39 PM To: Jeanette Daniels; APG APG Public; apgmembersonlylist-owner@apgen.org; Larry Boswell; Elizabeth Shown Mills Subject: Re: Private email<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> I know that this email will neve make it to he halls of APG except under "YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO TALK" status, but thank goodness for an alternative lise like theorgen. I really cannot fathom the thought process of (1) censorship (20 spying on other lists and then (3) censoring twice for posting on more than one list.  This is beyond awful and I want no truck with peole like Kathlen who apprently have nothing better to do with their time.<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> Craig<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> On Aug 31, 2010, at 6:22 PM, Jeanette Daniels wrote:<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> > Craig,<o:p></o:p> > <o:p></o:p> > That's exactly how I felt when I was taken off of the TGF email list.  I was shocked.  ESM called me a liar which completely surprised me and before I knew it, the gang complained and threw me off.  I was not lying at all.  She just didn't like what I said about something she had written on the APG list a while back. <o:p></o:p> > <o:p></o:p> > A short time later, Larry was taken off of the TFG email list for being too  blunt.  In other words, if they don't like the way that you part your hair, you're gone.  <o:p></o:p> > <o:p></o:p> > I'm glad that you are on the TheoryGen list now.  I am obviously being monitored as well.  I don't understand this really, but obviously the group wants everything to stay the same and are threatened by certain people who have differing views.  <o:p></o:p> > <o:p></o:p> > I don't always agree with everything said on the TheoryGen list but there has always been thoughtful discussion without belittlement except for a few of the group who have tried to rile things up.  Larry has let them say whatever and others have politely let them know that they don't agree.  The mean garbage thrown out on the APG list hasn't worked over here.  Occasionally, Larry has gotten upset with them but quickly has apologized and removed mean-spirited emails from the archive.  <o:p></o:p> > <o:p></o:p> > I'm sorry about the APG leadership taking you off forever.  I think that type of control is unwarranted.  I believe that many on both lists enjoyed your emails about the army.  <o:p></o:p> > <o:p></o:p> > Jeanette<o:p></o:p> > <o:p></o:p> > <o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> </div> </body> </html>