<html><head><style type="text/css"></style></head><body><div style="font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif;font-size:18pt"><div>Eileen,<br><br>Sorry you took it wrong.  The idea was for children to identify with the parent or parents who raised them regardless of the "blood" line.  Not all children are raised by loving parents and many have no clue about one side of the family or the other because there is no contact.  That was what the distinction was for.  The program was to help these children get a sense of identity and a love of whatever family they lived in.<br><br>Right now my oldest son has a foster child who has been in 16 other homes other than my son, Richard's home.  He is 12 years old.  This boy has some definite problems with his identity.  If Richard and the rest of us in the family can help this boy realize that he can have a supportive family experience with Richard and us (Richard's parents and siblings, friends, etc.) we will feel that we have succeeded.  As far as genealogy goes, I will introduce him to the "love line" concept.  I believe that he truly needs it.<br><br>Jeanette Daniels<br>Heritage Genealogical College<br></div><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 18pt;"><br><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;"><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><hr size="1"><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> Ó Dúill Associates <info@heirsireland.com><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Jeanette Daniels <jeanettedaniels8667@yahoo.com>; Kathy Rippel <twinmom22@cox.net>; APG Members Only List <apgmembersonlylist@apgen.org><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Mon, August 16, 2010 12:40:12 PM<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [APG Members] Genealogical relationships for adoptee families<br></font><br> <style type="text/css">DIV { MARGIN:0px;} </style> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">Sorry Jeanette but I find the use of the terms "blood" line and "love" line as mutually exclusive to be unacceptable in genealogy.Is the use of these terms suggesting that there is no "love" in the blood line? How can this be construed as a nice distinction? </font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2"></font> </div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">Most of us like to think our ancestors were in love, at least at the time of the marriage. </font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2"></font> </div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">Eileen</font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2"></font> </div> <div> </div> <div>Eileen M. Ó Dúill, CG<br>47 Delwood Road<br>Castleknock<br>Dublin 15<br>Ireland</div> <div> </div> <div>email: <a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:info@heirsireland.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:info@heirsireland.com">info@heirsireland.com</a><br>CG, Certified Genealogist is a service mark of the Board for Certification of Genealogists (USA), used under license by  Board-certified associates after periodic competency  evaluations</div> <div> </div> <div> </div> <blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(0, 0, 0); padding-left: 5px; padding-right: 0px; margin-left: 5px; margin-right: 0px;"> <div style="font: 10pt arial;">----- Original Message ----- </div> <div style="font: 10pt arial; background: none repeat scroll 0% 0% rgb(228, 228, 228);"><b>From:</b> <a rel="nofollow" title="jeanettedaniels8667@yahoo.com" ymailto="mailto:jeanettedaniels8667@yahoo.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:jeanettedaniels8667@yahoo.com">Jeanette Daniels</a> </div> <div style="font: 10pt arial;"><b>To:</b> <a rel="nofollow" title="twinmom22@cox.net" ymailto="mailto:twinmom22@cox.net" target="_blank" href="mailto:twinmom22@cox.net">Kathy Rippel</a> ; <a rel="nofollow" title="apgmembersonlylist@apgen.org" ymailto="mailto:apgmembersonlylist@apgen.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:apgmembersonlylist@apgen.org">APG Members Only List</a> </div> <div style="font: 10pt arial;"><b>Sent:</b> Monday, August 16, 2010 1:41 PM</div> <div style="font: 10pt arial;"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [APG Members] Genealogical relationships for adoptee families</div> <div><br></div> <div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 18pt;"> <div>Kathy and others,<br><br>A simple way to trace ancestry is tracing the "blood" lines and tracing the "love" lines.  There was a childrens genealogical program at the public library system in Carlsbad, CA in about 2000 where most of the children lived in family situations where divorces and remarriages, etc. found them living with non-biological parents.  So, in order to explain how to trace their genealogy, they used "blood" lines and "love" lines to distinguish who they wanted to trace.  I think that is a nice distinction.<br><br>Jeanette Daniels<br>Heritage Genealogical College<br></div> <div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 18pt;"><br> <div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 13px;"><font face="Tahoma" size="2"> <hr size="1"> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> Kathy Rippel <twinmom22@cox.net><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Joan Lowrey <joanlowr@pacbell.net>; apgmembersonlylist@apgen.org<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Mon, August 16, 2010 12:56:44 AM<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [APG Members] Genealogical relationships for adoptee families<br></font><br>Other posters have answered this quite well, but I have another <br>related example.<br><br>My husband (not the father of my children) never had children of his <br>own; we married when my children were adults.<br><br>However, OUR grandchildren merely know him as "Grandpa" and he is, in <br>their eyes, as much (or more so) a real grandparent as any of their <br>"biological" grandparents.<br><br>When we married he felt odd being when the family started calling him <br>"Grandpa", he said the grandson already had grandparents. I pointed <br>out that children don't make those distinctions, the more love the <br>better whether the grandparent (or parent, etc.) is biologically <br>related or not. Our grandkids have three sets of grandparents and see <br>nothing odd about it.<br><br>We will receive a step-grandson (older than the others) this fall and <br>plan to treat him like the other grandsons, as much as he feels comfortable.<br><br>When a work on family genealogy I work on my own line, my kids' <br>paternal line, my husband's line. Adoptions, step-relationships, and <br>other "non-traditional" family relationships are noted with all <br>descendants included.<br><br>Families are definitely made in the heart. Our families' histories <br>must record all the flavors we enjoy!!<br><br>Kathy<br><br>At 03:04 PM 8/15/2010, Joan Lowrey wrote:<br>>The following query was forwarded to me by my local society.  I <br>>don't have experience with adoptees.  Can any of you provide the answer?<br>><br>>Thank you,<br>>Joan Neumann Lowrey<br>>La Jolla, CA<br>><br>>Assume a child is adopted. That child grows to adult hood and has<br>>children and grandchildren. In genealogical talk, are the adult's<br>>children and grandchildren related to the adult child's adoptive parents<br>>and if so, what is the correct terminology and explanation for<br>>relationship. In my tree, Richard was adopted by Freda and Cris. As an<br>>adult, Richard married, had two girls, and the girls are married and<br>>have children. The girls are now inquiring about grandparents Freda and<br>>Cris and their correct relationship to them and to Cris and Freda's<br>>parents, etc<br>><br>><br>><br>>No virus found in this incoming message.<br>>Checked by AVG - <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.avg.com">www.avg.com</a><br>>Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3074 - Release Date: <br>>08/15/10 13:35:00<br><br></div></div></div><br></blockquote></div></div> </div><br> </body></html>