<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1" http-equiv=Content-Type> <META name=GENERATOR content="MSHTML 8.00.6001.18928"> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=#ffffff> <DIV>Well Jack, wouldn't want to leave it unlocked around here (and this isn't exactly a high crime area).  And in some areas, it's preferred that someone is found to be home!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>And on unlocking or carelessness,   I inadvertently left the trunk on my car unlocked (slightly ajar) last week.  I can hardly complain when it was rifled.  It was "entered" in the middle of the night (I think).  Spilled things around, but not much there worth stealing, so no damage to me.  Not very bright thieves as they could have flipped down the rear seats and gained access to more valuable stuff in the glove box in the main compartment, so I got off lightly.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I think your reply is interesting though I believe people on the internet need to be far more careful because unlike my rather poor analogy, you'll never *see* them enter (hack, or leave a worm or trojan on)  your pc.  But it will be because you left "a door open" in your internet security.  Most of these things are automatic, not directly controlled. Phishing for information.  Notice a lot of spam doesn't have your email address.  Just viewing it can trigger notice that a valid email address has been found.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Sorry, responsibility lies first with those who don't take precautions, who aren't protecting themselves. It's why some municipalities charge people who leave their car doors unlocked.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Larry</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px" dir=ltr> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=jackbutler@shwgenealogy.com href="mailto:jackbutler@shwgenealogy.com">Jack Butler</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=apgpubliclist@apgen.org href="mailto:apgpubliclist@apgen.org">apgpubliclist</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, June 25, 2010 1:15 PM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [APG Public List] [APG Members] My Predicament!!!! (Need Help).</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Larry wrote:</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV> <DIV> <DIV>"It's the responsibility of each person to make sure they're secure.  If you leave your door unlocked, you can't complain if someone opens the door and walks in."</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>I concur totally with the first sentence and find the 2nd totally nonsensical. During daylight hours, my door is routinely unlocked. The idea that I am inviting strangers into my house and that I have no complaint should one enter is ridiculous. It has never happened, but I assure you that any stranger walking through that unlocked door without invitation would most certainly be met with complaint and might quite possibly be met with overt hostility.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Likewise, the fact that I might inadvertently leave some crack in my computer security (I don't particularly believe that I do) is not equivalent to giving tacit permission for some jerk to go poking about the innards of my system. The error, or even carelessness of a computer user does not excuse or justify someone else's bad behavior.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Jack Butler</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px" dir=ltr> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=laboswell@rogers.com href="mailto:laboswell@rogers.com">LBoswell</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=terry@reigelridge.com href="mailto:terry@reigelridge.com">Terry Reigel</A> ; <A title=apgpubliclist@apgen.org href="mailto:apgpubliclist@apgen.org">apgpubliclist</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, June 25, 2010 12:02 PM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [APG Public List] [APG Members] My Predicament!!!! (Need Help).</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV>That make sense, I don't use free email accounts.  In this case maybe they were too free!  Or freely available.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>People get careless with their passwords and usernames, and who can blame them.  For genealogical purposes alone I have over 200 username/passwords.  But each one is unique, and composed of a mix of uppercase, lowercase and numerals.  I record the answer to my security questions on the same file card that has the password and username, never leaving it on the website in question.  And I make up my own unique security question (not just 'mother's maiden name').  I never leave my computer set to automatically log in to a site (which parks a cookie containing that information on your pc).  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>It's the responsibility of each person to make sure they're secure.  If you leave your door unlocked, you can't complain if someone opens the door and walks in.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The good thing is that it's pointless to keep changing your passwords.  Absolutely not necessary unless you know for sure that you've been hacked.  No need to change your bank password every so many months. Hackers don't operate like that.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>with dozens and dozens of these things, who could keep updating them anyway?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>play by the same rules you'd use in real life, and you won't be as vulnerable on the web.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>But again Terry, it's that old Urban Legend chant someone told me "a friend of hers did...."  Ye olde 'friend of a friend" again.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Larry</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=terry@reigelridge.com href="mailto:terry@reigelridge.com">Terry Reigel</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=apgpubliclist@apgen.org href="mailto:apgpubliclist@apgen.org">apgpubliclist</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, June 25, 2010 10:55 AM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [APG Public List] [APG Members] My Predicament!!!! (Need Help).</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV>LBoswell wrote:<BR>> It's more likely from third party applications accessed<BR>> through FB.  Privacy settings that you have set for FB <BR>> may not apply when you use those other apps.  <BR><BR>While the same scam is being run on Facebook, best I can see in those cases it's actually done on the Facebook system, not via email. All the messages of this sort I've received were emails, and seem to have two things in common -- use of a "free" email account, and a computer user who seems to be relatively unaware of security issues. In each of those cases the email account was actually taken over by the intruder. And, few if any of them every figure out how their account was compromised. I suspect they have either fallen for a phishing message and voluntarily given up their passwords, or have used weak passwords or security questions that make it easier for the scammers to break into the accounts. One told me he used the security question "What was your first phone number?" and not remembering it, entered 1234567890, and believed that was the way the account was compromised.<BR><BR>> I just don't think people would actually<BR>> fall for this little con. <BR><BR>Oh but they do - that's why it's going on. A correspondent whose account was compromised for one of these told me one of her friends did indeed send the money.<BR><BR>Terry Reigel</BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>