<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META content="text/html; charset=utf-8" http-equiv=Content-Type> <STYLE type=text/css>DIV { MARGIN: 0px } </STYLE> <META name=GENERATOR content="MSHTML 8.00.6001.18928"></HEAD> <BODY bgColor=#ffffff> <DIV>Thanks Michele,</DIV> <DIV> <DIV>I honestly think these ventures are all great ideas.  Source citations have been a subject that is central to what we do, maybe in a sense *the* defining subject.  So all approaches that try to expand our knowledge of the subject are good, and I suspect there will be cross-pollination between them all.  From the start I expected that the good opportunities for discussion on the TGF list would be a resource for members of the study group to consult, and then bring the information back from there to the group.  I think that's in my description to the yahoo group I pointed out that "cross-posting" from the group *to* relevant lists is not only encouraged, but is going to be essential (not in those words, but that was my thought on the TGF lists and APG public).  In fact when I forwarded the information to Christy (list owner for TGF) and asked if she would post it on TGF for me, I explained how I thought this study group would be a natural complement to TGF and similar lists. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>It's neat to see the subject taking off like this.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Larry</DIV></DIV> <DIV>Larry Boswell BA, PLCGS<BR><A href="http://www.TheBackstairs.com">www.TheBackstairs.com</A><BR><A href="http://thebackstairs.com/blog/">http://thebackstairs.com/blog/</A><BR>"Experts in Historical & Genealogical Research"<BR>Listowner, TheoryGen (a non-archived list)<BR><A href="http://ca.groups.yahoo.com/group/theorygen/">http://ca.groups.yahoo.com/group/theorygen/</A><BR>Ottawa, Ontario, Canada<BR><A href="mailto:laboswell@rogers.com">laboswell@rogers.com</A></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px" dir=ltr> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=misha412@yahoo.com href="mailto:misha412@yahoo.com">Michele Kemper</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=laboswell@rogers.com href="mailto:laboswell@rogers.com">LBoswell</A> ; <A title=Elissa@PowellGenealogy.com href="mailto:Elissa@PowellGenealogy.com">Elissa Scalise Powell, CG</A> ; <A title=APGMembersOnlyList@apgen.org href="mailto:APGMembersOnlyList@apgen.org">APGMembersOnlyList@apgen.org</A> ; <A title=APGPublicList@apgen.org href="mailto:APGPublicList@apgen.org">APGPublicList@apgen.org</A> ; <A title=transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com href="mailto:transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com">transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, June 10, 2010 8:24 PM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [APG Public List] [TGF] [APG Members] Source Citationstudy groupcommencinc soon</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma, 'new york', times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> <DIV>Larry, </DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV>It is not so much a competitive race than a different approach to the same information. </DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV>The Yahoo group you have started is designed to focus on source citation. My proposal was to look at the different records and discuss them as well as looking as source citation. Having it on an open discussion forum such as TGF would allow Elizabeth and other experts to help those of us trying to learn. </DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV>Michele</DIV> <DIV style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><BR> <DIV style="FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><FONT size=2 face=Tahoma> <HR SIZE=1> <B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> LBoswell <<A href="mailto:laboswell@rogers.com">laboswell@rogers.com</A>><BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> "Elissa Scalise Powell, CG" <<A href="mailto:Elissa@PowellGenealogy.com">Elissa@PowellGenealogy.com</A>>; Michele Kemper <<A href="mailto:misha412@yahoo.com">misha412@yahoo.com</A>>; <A href="mailto:APGMembersOnlyList@apgen.org">APGMembersOnlyList@apgen.org</A>; <A href="mailto:APGPublicList@apgen.org">APGPublicList@apgen.org</A>; <A href="mailto:transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com">transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com</A><BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Thu, June 10, 2010 7:58:20 PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: [APG Public List] [TGF] [APG Members] Source Citationstudy groupcommencinc soon<BR></FONT><BR> <STYLE></STYLE> <DIV> <DIV>Excellent ideas, and they all serve the same ultimate goals.  You'd think this was a competitive race though.  I think I've kicked open a very pent up desire to learn here.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Remember though that  I have nothing to gain and much to lose since this has become such a public issue on these lists today, but my intentions are honest and my motives are to try to make a small contribution to improving discussions on this subject.  The more places people have to turn to deepen their understanding of source citations (or any other genealogical matter), the better.  Obviously the demand is there for more information, more opportunities to expand knowledge on this subject.  But that's the way genealogists are built.  There's always a greater hunger for new opportunities to learn than there are venues available, so I'm very pleased to see this sudden creative response to a long neglected need.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I hope some of the people who have joined the yahoo study group also take part in these ventures, and bring the ideas and knowledge back to our little effort in turn.  And maybe the reverse will happen too.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Larry</DIV> <DIV> </DIV></DIV> <DIV>Larry Boswell BA, PLCGS<BR><A href="http://www.TheBackstairs.com" rel=nofollow target=_blank>www.TheBackstairs.com</A><BR><SPAN><A href="http://thebackstairs.com/blog/" target=_blank>http://thebackstairs.com/blog/</A></SPAN><BR>"Experts in Historical & Genealogical Research"<BR>Listowner, TheoryGen (a non-archived list)<BR><SPAN><A href="http://ca.groups.yahoo.com/group/theorygen/" target=_blank>http://ca.groups.yahoo.com/group/theorygen/</A></SPAN><BR>Ottawa, Ontario, Canada<BR><A href="mailto:laboswell@rogers.com" rel=nofollow target=_blank ymailto="mailto:laboswell@rogers.com">laboswell@rogers.com</A></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4"><B>From:</B> <A title=Elissa@PowellGenealogy.com href="mailto:Elissa@PowellGenealogy.com" rel=nofollow target=_blank ymailto="mailto:Elissa@PowellGenealogy.com">Elissa Scalise Powell, CG</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=misha412@yahoo.com href="mailto:misha412@yahoo.com" rel=nofollow target=_blank ymailto="mailto:misha412@yahoo.com">'Michele Kemper'</A> ; <A title=APGMembersOnlyList@apgen.org href="mailto:APGMembersOnlyList@apgen.org" rel=nofollow target=_blank ymailto="mailto:APGMembersOnlyList@apgen.org">APGMembersOnlyList@apgen.org</A> ; <A title=APGPublicList@apgen.org href="mailto:APGPublicList@apgen.org" rel=nofollow target=_blank ymailto="mailto:APGPublicList@apgen.org">APGPublicList@apgen.org</A> ; <A title=transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com href="mailto:transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com" rel=nofollow target=_blank ymailto="mailto:transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com">transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, June 10, 2010 7:43 PM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [APG Public List] [TGF] [APG Members] Source Citationstudy groupcommencinc soon</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV>Michele,<BR>I agree that it could work. We just finished the Standards Manual. Perhaps it is time to move onto systematic EE discussions on TGF. <BR><BR>Or another approach is to take the ProGen model and use EE instead of ProGen. The model has a proven track record and is described in an article by Angela McGhie in an APG Quarterly. The model includes smaller groups for manageable discussions but with an experienced mentor. The mentor does not lead the group but only advises and acts as a resource. It works well and lets peers step up and practice leadership skills. Of course those peer leaders have to be found -- and the more the merrier. No kings or queens here! <g><BR><BR>It will be interesting to see how this resolves.<BR><BR>-- Elissa in Pittsburgh this week and Birmingham next week<BR><BR>Elissa Scalise Powell, CG<BR><A href="http://www.PowellGenealogy.com" rel=nofollow target=_blank>www.PowellGenealogy.com</A><BR>CG and Certified Genealogist are Service Marks of the Board for Certification of Genealogists, used under license by board certificants after periodic evaluations by the Board. <BR><BR><BR>> -----Original Message-----<BR>> From: On Behalf Of Michele Kemper<BR>> Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 7:33 PM<BR>> <BR>> I think a step by step discussion of EE would be a good fit for TGF or the open APG list.<BR>> That would allow everyone to discuss the topics openly and get expert input into the<BR>> subject matter. Since EE examines a wide range of records, it could be more than looking<BR>> at source citation, but looking at the breadth and depth of records available.<BR>> <BR>> Any thoughts?<BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV></DIV> <DIV style="POSITION: fixed"></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>