<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META content="text/html; charset=utf-8" http-equiv=Content-Type> <STYLE type=text/css>DIV { MARGIN: 0px } </STYLE> <META name=GENERATOR content="MSHTML 8.00.6001.18882"></HEAD> <BODY bgColor=#ffffff> <DIV><STRONG><EM><FONT color=#008080 face="Times New Roman">Hello Jeanette,</FONT></EM></STRONG></DIV> <DIV><STRONG><EM><FONT color=#008080 face="Times New Roman"></FONT></EM></STRONG> </DIV> <DIV><STRONG><EM><FONT color=#008080 face="Times New Roman">First let me say that I have not been closely following this thread, so my remarks are not specific to the topic of client billing. I would, however, like to state that I take issue with your statement (below) to Elizabeth. I have been doing genealogical research for over 40 years and I <U>still</U> have several problems that I have not identified! (I'll let you compute the hours. <g>)</FONT></EM></STRONG></DIV> <DIV><STRONG><EM><FONT color=#008080 face="Times New Roman"></FONT></EM></STRONG> </DIV> <DIV><STRONG><EM><FONT color=#008080 face="Times New Roman">As regards Elizabeth's description of developing a pattern, which I had no difficulty in understanding, I would consider that any researcher who claimed to have constructed a thorough and complete "pattern" in ten hours would immediately send up all my red flags! Even applying the most minimal standards (much less GPS standards) should require 30+ hours to develop a "pattern" depending on the many possible variables.</FONT></EM></STRONG></DIV> <DIV><STRONG><EM><FONT color=#008080 face="Times New Roman"></FONT></EM></STRONG> </DIV> <DIV><STRONG><EM><FONT color=#008080 face="Times New Roman">Regards,</FONT></EM></STRONG></DIV> <DIV><STRONG><EM><FONT color=#008080 face="Times New Roman">Kate</FONT></EM></STRONG></DIV> <DIV><STRONG><EM><FONT color=#008080 face="Times New Roman"></FONT></EM></STRONG> </DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="BORDER-LEFT: #008080 2px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=jeanettedaniels8667@yahoo.com href="mailto:jeanettedaniels8667@yahoo.com">Jeanette Daniels</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=eshown@comcast.net href="mailto:eshown@comcast.net">eshown@comcast.net</A> ; <A title=apgpubliclist@apgen.org href="mailto:apgpubliclist@apgen.org">apgpubliclist@apgen.org</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, February 22, 2010 9:36 PM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [APG Public List] client who ignores billing</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV style="FONT-FAMILY: times new roman,new york,times,serif; FONT-SIZE: 18pt">Elizabeth,<BR><BR>I'm having trouble with this.  If you can't figure out where the problems are within 10 hours - rural or not, something is wrong with the genealogical researcher's skills.<BR><BR>Jeanette<BR> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV style="FONT-FAMILY: times new roman,new york,times,serif; FONT-SIZE: 18pt"><BR> <DIV style="FONT-FAMILY: times new roman,new york,times,serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><FONT size=2 face=Tahoma> <HR SIZE=1> <B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> "<A href="mailto:eshown@comcast.net">eshown@comcast.net</A>" <<A href="mailto:eshown@comcast.net">eshown@comcast.net</A>><BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> <A href="mailto:apgpubliclist@apgen.org">apgpubliclist@apgen.org</A><BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Mon, February 22, 2010 7:00:12 PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> FW: [APG Public List] client who ignores billing<BR></FONT><BR> <STYLE>  </STYLE> <DIV class=Section1> <P class=MsoNormal> </P> <P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: blue; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Larry wrote:</SPAN></P> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: blue; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">I agree with your description, it's how I would proceed (and how I think any experienced researcher would go).</SPAN><SPAN></SPAN></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><SPAN> <SPAN style="COLOR: blue">></SPAN></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">There doesn't have to be a pattern in the research itself.  It can be fee based (when X fee has been reached, or x hours). <SPAN style="COLOR: blue"></SPAN></SPAN></P> <P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: blue; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"></SPAN> </P> <P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: blue; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"></SPAN> </P> <P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: blue; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Larry, perhaps I am misunderstanding you, but I think you misunderstood what <I>I </I>meant by “pattern.” I was not referring to a <B>client’s</B> pattern of hiring or our pattern of collecting fees. Let me post again the words I used, then try to explain them differently:</SPAN></P> <P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: blue; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"></SPAN> </P> <P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: blue; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">“In many areas across rural America, where research is far more complex and piecing together even a pattern might not be possible in less than 40 hours, reporting every ten or so hours would not work. The time would be insufficient to develop anything meaningful and clients would walk away thinking ‘once again, I got nothing from the search’.”</SPAN></P> <P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: blue; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"></SPAN> </P> <P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: blue; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">“The ‘patterns’ to which I refer are evidentiary patterns developed through correlation and analysis of seemingly disparate pieces of evidence. It can take a considerable amount of research---not just on the elusive ancestor but on what I call his FAN Club (Friends, Associates, and Neighbors)---to develop patterns of migration, naming and religious practices, activities, land ownership, etc., from which we might squeeze the first viable clues to origin, identity, or parentage. In cases such as this, reporting after, say, 10 hours would provide the client with nothing of any obvious value.<SPAN>  </SPAN></SPAN></P> <P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: blue; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"></SPAN> </P> <P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: blue; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Elizabeth</SPAN></P> <DIV style="BORDER-BOTTOM: 1pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; PADDING-BOTTOM: 1pt; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-TOP: 0in"> <P style="BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-TOP: 0in" class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: blue; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"></SPAN> </P></DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: blue; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Elizabeth Shown Mills, </SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: blue; FONT-SIZE: 8pt">CG, CGL, FASG</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: blue; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"></SPAN></P> <P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: blue; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Tennessee</SPAN></P> <P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: blue; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"></SPAN> </P> <P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: blue; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"></SPAN> </P></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV><BR> <P> <HR> <P></P><BR>No virus found in this incoming message.<BR>Checked by AVG - www.avg.com <BR>Version: 8.5.435 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2703 - Release Date: 02/22/10 07:34:00<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>