<html xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:m="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/2004/12/omml" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40"> <head> <meta http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> <meta name=ProgId content=Word.Document> <meta name=Generator content="Microsoft Word 12"> <meta name=Originator content="Microsoft Word 12"> <link rel=File-List href="cid:filelist.xml@01CAA9A1.FBCD1230"> <link rel=Edit-Time-Data href="cid:editdata.mso">  <style>  </style>  </head> <body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple style='tab-interval:.5in' id="role_body"> <div class=Section1> <p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"; color:blue'>Jay, pull p. 3 of our IGHR syllabus material for census records. You’ll find there a table showing the years that cover <span class=SpellE>ag</span>, manufacturing, industrial, social, etc.<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'>  </span>1830 has none of those details. 1820 and 1840 do, in varying combinations.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"; color:blue'><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"; color:blue'>Elizabeth<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"; color:blue'><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"; color:blue'><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <div> <div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'> <p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"; mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"'> apgpubliclist-bounces@apgen.org [mailto:apgpubliclist-bounces@apgen.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>JFonkert@aol.com<br> <b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, February 09, 2010 2:33 PM<br> <b>To:</b> sully1@carolina.rr.com; apgpubliclist@apgen.org; apgmembersonlylist@apgen.org<br> <b>Subject:</b> [APG Public List] Re: [APG Members] Occupation in Census<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> </div> <p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p> <div> <div> <div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"; mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black'>Kathy is correct.  My old eyes were missing the obvious in the 1820 census.  But, like Kathy, I don't see it in 1830 (the first year with printed forms).  Thank you, Kathy.<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"; mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"; mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black'>In a message dated 2/9/2010 2:22:29 P.M. Central Standard Time, sully1@carolina.rr.com writes:<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt; margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'> <p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"; mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black'>Jay,<br> <br> Follow the particular household across all the columns.<br> For example, in 1820 after the male/female age columns, there are the following columns for each household:<br> Foreigners not naturalized<br> Number of persons engaged in Agriculture<br> Number of persons engaged in Commerce<br> Number of persons engaged in Manufactures<br> <br> Then come the columns for male and female slaves and their age range<br> Then the columns for Free Colored Persons males and females and their age ranges<br> And finally the column "All other persons except Indians not taxed<br> <br> Kathy<br> <br> <br> <a href="mailto:JFonkert@aol.com" title="mailto:JFonkert@aol.com">JFonkert@aol.com</a> wrote: <o:p></o:p></span></p> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"; mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black'>I'm confused, and hoping someone can help.  Hinckley and others say that the 1820 and 1830 censuses collected information on the number of people within each household engaged in agriculture, commerce or manufacturing.  I know that the 1820 and 1830 censuses gathered aggregate statistics (of not particularly good quality), and the 1840 census expanded the count to other industries, but I have never seen counts within families.  Am I missing something?<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"; mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"; mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black'>Jay Fonkert, CG<br> <a href="http://fourgenerationsgenealogy.blogspot.com/" title="http://fourgenerationsgenealogy.blogspot.com/">http://fourgenerationsgenealogy.blogspot.com/</a><br> Saint Paul, MN<br> <br> Member, Association of Professional Genealogists<br> (</span><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"; mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black'>professional profile at <a href="http://www.apgen.org%29/" title="http://www.apgen.org)/">www.apgen.org)</a></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman";color:black'><br> Member, Genealogical Speakers Guild<br> </span><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"; mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black'>(professional profile at <a href="http://www.genealogicalspeakersguild.org/%29" title="http://www.genealogicalspeakersguild.org/)">http://www.genealogicalspeakersguild.org/)</a></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman";color:black'> <br> <br> </span><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"; mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black'>CG (Certified Genealogist) is a service mark of the Board for Certification of Genealogists, used under license by Board-certified associates after periodic competency evaluations.</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"; mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <pre style='text-align:center'><span style='color:black'> <hr size=4 width="90%" align=center> </span></pre><pre><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='color:black'>No virus found in this incoming message.<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='color:black'>Checked by AVG - <a href="http://www.avg.com/" title="http://www.avg.com/">www.avg.com</a> <o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='color:black'>Version: 8.5.435 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2677 - Release Date: 02/09/10 07:35:00<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='color:black'><span style='mso-spacerun:yes'>  </span><o:p></o:p></span></pre> <p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"; mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p> </blockquote> </div> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"; mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"; mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black'>Jay Fonkert, CG<br> <a href="http://fourgenerationsgenealogy.blogspot.com/">http://fourgenerationsgenealogy.blogspot.com/</a><br> Saint Paul, MN<br> <br> Member, Association of Professional Genealogists<br> (</span><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"; mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black'>professional profile at <a href="http://www.apgen.org)/">www.apgen.org)</a></span><span style='font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"; color:black'><br> Member, Genealogical Speakers Guild<br> </span><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"; mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black'>(professional profile at <a href="http://www.genealogicalspeakersguild.org/)">http://www.genealogicalspeakersguild.org/)</a></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman";color:black'> <br> <br> </span><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"; mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black'>CG (Certified Genealogist) is a service mark of the Board for Certification of Genealogists, used under license by Board-certified associates after periodic competency evaluations.</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"; mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> </div> </body> </html>