<table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" ><tr><td valign="top" style="font: inherit;"><br>Julia, <br><br>I did not know that about the laws of naturalization. Thanks for the tip. <br><br>To all, <br><br>I did end up paying for the death certificate and someone was nice enough to pick it up for me. So soon I will be able to see it and hopefully it will have the answer I'm looking for. I understand it may not be the exact Irish name but it's a start. <br><br>Thank you all who responded and have a great day, <br><br>Todd <br><br><br>--- On <b>Thu, 1/21/10, famrsearch@aol.com <i><famrsearch@aol.com></i></b> wrote:<br><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"><br>From: famrsearch@aol.com <famrsearch@aol.com><br>Subject: Re: [APG Public List] Death certificate in Tennessee<br>To: apgpubliclist@apgen.org<br>Date: Thursday, January 21, 2010, 4:05 AM<br><br><div id="yiv715113821"> <font id="role_document" color="#000000" face="Arial" size="2"> <div>Todd</div> <div> </div> <div> </div> <div>If she married in 1901 to a US citizen there would be no naturalization papers for her.  At that time, a women was automatically granted the citizenship of her husband.  This rule resulted in a number of female natural born US citizen losing their citizenship by marrying a non US citizen. </div> <div> </div> <div>Julia </div> <div> </div> <div> <div>In a message dated 1/20/2010 11:02:59 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, toddmichaelwhite@yahoo.com writes:</div> <blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid blue; padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 5px;"><font style="background-color: transparent;" color="#000000" face="Arial" size="2"> <table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"> <tbody> <tr> <td valign="top">Jack, <br><br>You are exactly right. Yes it is Mary F. that I am attempting to find the maiden name for. A later census shows her immigration to the US as 1892 which makes more sense because her daughter Ruth was born in 1904. <br><br>I am wondering if she came over in 1892 and was naturalized in 1913. Regardless, I cannot find her naturalization records. That is why I was attempting to find Ruth's death certificate. <br><br>Ugh, <br><br>Thank you though!<br><br>Todd <br><br>--- On <b>Wed, 1/20/10, Jack Butler <i><jackbutler@shwgenealogy.com></i></b> wrote:<br> <blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 5px;"><br>From: Jack Butler <jackbutler@shwgenealogy.com><br>Subject: Re: [APG Public List] Death certificate in Tennessee<br>To: "todd white" <toddmichaelwhite@yahoo.com><br>Date: Wednesday, January 20, 2010, 9:51 PM<br><br> <div id="yiv1126431399"> <style></style> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">Todd,</font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2"></font> </div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">A quick look online shows a family file with a Ruth Agnes Cloud, born 1904 marrying a man named Herman L. Biggs. This lady reportedly died in Tennessee on 5 January 1954.  When I ran a search on the site that Tina provided a link to, I found Ruth C. Biggs, died in Davidson County, Tennessee, on 5 January 1954.  My bet would be that the C is for Cloud.</font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2"></font> </div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">This same Ruth A. Cloud  may be the Ruth Cloud who shows up in the household of Charles E. Cloud and Mary F. [?] on the 1920 U.S. Census of Lavaca County, Texas.  If so, the mother Mary F. is reported to have immigrated to the U.S. in 1913 and to have been naturalized - if this is the right family, perhaps you can find the naturalization record. That almost certainly would give you her maiden name.</font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2"></font> </div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">Good hunting.</font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2"></font> </div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">Jack Butler</font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2"></font> </div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2"></font> </div> <blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(0, 0, 0); padding-left: 5px; padding-right: 0px; margin-left: 5px; margin-right: 0px;"> <div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; -x-system-font: none; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;">----- Original Message ----- </div> <div style="background: rgb(228, 228, 228) none repeat scroll 0% 0%; font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; -x-system-font: none; -moz-background-clip: border; -moz-background-origin: padding; -moz-background-inline-policy: continuous; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>From:</b> <a rel="nofollow" title="http://mc/compose?to=toddmichaelwhite@yahoo.com">todd white</a> </div> <div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; -x-system-font: none; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>To:</b> <a rel="nofollow" title="http://mc/compose?to=apgpubliclist@apgen.org">apgpubliclist@apgen.org</a> </div> <div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; -x-system-font: none; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, January 20, 2010 9:46 PM</div> <div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; -x-system-font: none; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>Subject:</b> [APG Public List] Death certificate in Tennessee</div> <div><br></div> <table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"> <tbody> <tr> <td valign="top">Tina, <br><br>Thank you for your help. I did check out the Tennessee website you suggested. However, she was not listed. My client's grandmother, Ruth Agnes Cloud died January 5, 1954 in Nashville, Davidson, Tennessee. Yet a record of her death cannot be found. <br><br>I cannot understand how someone born as late as 1904, and dies in 1954 cannot be found. However, that is the case. Of course my first thought is that she must be listed under a different name, but I would think my client would know an alternate name for her. <br><br>I'll keep looking. Thanks again for your help though, <br><br>Todd White <br><br><br>--- On <b>Wed, 1/20/10, Tina Sansone <i><gtownma@yahoo.com></i></b> wrote:<br> <blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 5px;"><br>From: Tina Sansone <gtownma@yahoo.com><br>Subject: Re: [APG Public List] Death certificate in Tennessee<br>To: apgpubliclist@apgen.org, "todd white" <toddmichaelwhite@yahoo.com><br>Date: Wednesday, January 20, 2010, 7:54 PM<br><br> <div class="plainMail">Does this help, see the coloumn on the far right and check their deaths.<br><a rel="nofollow" title="http://register.shelby.tn.us/" target="_blank" href="http://register.shelby.tn.us/">http://register.shelby.tn.us/</a><br><br><br>Tina Sansone  <a rel="nofollow">Genealogy@Bellaonline.com</a><br><br><br>--- On Wed, 1/20/10, todd white <<a rel="nofollow">toddmichaelwhite@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:<br><br>> From: todd white <<a rel="nofollow">toddmichaelwhite@yahoo.com</a>><br>> Subject: [APG Public List] Death certificate in Tennessee<br>> To: <a rel="nofollow">apgpubliclist@apgen.org</a><br>> Date: Wednesday, January 20, 2010, 7:41 PM<br>> Hello all, <br>> I<br>> am ultimately looking for a maiden name for a client's<br>> ancestor. I know<br>> she was married somewhere in Texas between 1899 and 1901. I<br>> am not sure<br>> of the County the couple were married in. Therefore<br>> locating the<br>> marriage license has proven to be impossible so far.<br>> <br>> From<br>> that marriage, there was a child born somewhere in Texas in<br>> 1904. That lady grew up,<br>> married, moved to Tennessee and passed away in 1954. I<br>> would like to<br>> see the death certificate to see if her mother's maiden<br>> name is on it<br>> but for some reason I cannot locate her death<br>> certificate.<br>> Does<br>> anyone know what I can expect to find on that death<br>> certificate?<br>> Considering that it was issued from Tennessee in 1954,<br>> should I expect<br>> it to contain her mother's maiden name? <br>> Thank you all in advance!<br>> Todd White <br>>  <br>> <br>> <br>>       <br><br><br>      <br></div></blockquote></td></tr></tbody></table><br></blockquote></div></blockquote></td></tr></tbody></table><br></font></blockquote></div></font></div></blockquote></td></tr></table><br>