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<DIV><FONT size=2 face="Courier New">I wouldn't assume that each person
gave their own information. Servants likely didn't, nor would children
or elderly relatives. Also you likely have a language problem
here, maybe someone who didn't fully understand the question. Or
alternatively an answer misheard or mistinterpreted because of accent or
language. Or misheard by a disinterested ship's officer who was processing
dozens of people who couldn't speak the same language. Or the question as
to age simply misunderstood completely. I've found so called "ages" that
instead seemed to match how long a person had lived in a given
place.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face="Courier New">Valet, male, personal 'man'servant serving
a male in the household. </FONT><FONT size=2
face="Courier New"></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face="Courier New">Larry</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, November 02, 2009 12:45
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [APG Public List] age on
shiplists</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Hello, <BR><BR>It's clear that all ages and other data
provided on ship manifests <BR>arriving for example in NY harbour were
given by the people to the officers of the <BR>ship without any chance to
proof the data were okay (that's right, isn't <BR>it?). <BR><BR>Well,
currently I'm researching the life of a woman from my hometown,
<BR>Johanna Riefer, who in the 1880s lived in Paris, France, as a
servant. At the <BR>end of that decade she met Arabella Huntington and
became a servant of her. <BR>From 1904 until 1924 she accompanied
Arabella on her annually trips to <BR>France. <BR><BR>The first ship
list I could find was that of the "Kaiser Wilhelm II" <BR>arriving in NY
harbour on Jan 20,1904. <BR><BR>She is mentioned "Reifer, Jane" (I
assume that "ei" was pronounced "ee" as <BR>in Germany the name is
pronounced "Reefer"). <BR><BR>Also on board and belonging to the
Huntington party were: <BR><BR>Mrs. C.P. Huntington<BR>Miss
Campbell<BR>Mr. Archer M. Huntington<BR>Mrs. Archer M.
Huntington<BR><BR>and their servants<BR>Dominez Martinez, 27, male,
occupation: "valet" (what is a valet?), <BR>Spanishr<BR>Angus Mc
Gilverey, 30, valet, Scotch<BR>Suzanne Gilomene, 27, maid, Swiss<BR>and
– not a servant -:<BR>Miss Cummings, 25, USA<BR><BR>Johanna – "Jane" –'s
age is mentioned as "24" but actually she was born <BR>1855. Hey, you
can see the difference between 24 and 51, even if that girl <BR>is from
my hometown, St. Wendel, Germany. <BR><BR>1907 when she takes the
"Kronprinzessin Cecilie" from Cherbourg to New <BR>York she is mentioned
"41" which is nearer but wrong as well. <BR><BR>Someone out there with
an idea?<BR><BR>Thanks<BR><BR>Roland Geiger<BR><BR>PS: At present
I try to locate documents from Arabella about her but it <BR>seems that all
of Arabella Huntington's personal papers were burned after her <BR>death
because she had ordered that. Weird.
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