<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META HTTP-EQUIV="Content-Type" CONTENT="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1"> <TITLE>Message</TITLE> <STYLE type=text/css>DIV { MARGIN: 0px } </STYLE> <META content="MSHTML 6.00.6000.16890" name=GENERATOR></HEAD> <BODY> <DIV><SPAN class=160483317-03102009><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff>Webinairs are highly popular and perhaps we are slow to jump on that boat.  Many genealogists would, no doubt, enjoy and benefit from them.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=160483317-03102009><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=160483317-03102009><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff>My personal choice, however, is a face-to-face conference.  I want to see how attendees react, "feel" the atmosphere in the room, sense the enthusiasm of the speaker, gage his/her expertise.  I find it encouraging to be in a room with other genealogists.  I like selecting a speaker that I have heard about, read his/her work, or because I've heard him/her before and learned something.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=160483317-03102009><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=160483317-03102009><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff>Examples:  I was fortunate to get to the classroom early the first time I heard Elizabeth Shown Mills speak because the room filled qulickly and people were standing against the back wall and others were sitting on the floor.  I knew I was in for a great session and have tried not to miss her presentations since - even to the point of taking a cruise when she was a featured speaker.  I regret I wasn't able to attend functions earlier during Helen Leary's career, but once I heard her, I have tried not to miss any opportunity to hear her speak.  I ordered her tapes, and they are good, but it simply isn't the same as watching her get into her topic.  She's like a race horse at the starting gate, and that eagerness is contagious.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=160483317-03102009><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=160483317-03102009><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff>There is also the possibility of finding someone else who is working on the same line or is distantly related - this year's NGS conference was doubly exciting because four of us who were descended from the same ancestor found each other.  I'll probably never miss another one.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=160483317-03102009><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=160483317-03102009><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff>It works for me.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=160483317-03102009><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=160483317-03102009><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff>Wanda Samek</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=160483317-03102009><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=160483317-03102009><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV></DIV> <DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader lang=en-us dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> apgpubliclist-bounces@apgen.org [mailto:apgpubliclist-bounces@apgen.org] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Jeanette Daniels<BR><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, October 03, 2009 9:03 AM<BR><B>To:</B> Amy Crow; apgpubliclist@apgen.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [APG Public List] Who Are We, Really?<BR><BR></FONT></DIV> <DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif"> <DIV>Amy,</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>We are all at different levels of research experience, and what seems like a more advanced presentation to one, isn't to another.  I can't tell anything from the titles as to whether the presenter will be presenting his topic in depth enough for me to be more than entertained.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The suggestions yesterday were for more in depth presentations that if needed would last more than 50 minutes.  Or that these presentations cover material in more specific ways than usually happens in the national conference format.  National conferences can stay the way that they are and be there for the general public, beginners and those who think that the conference presentations are at a higher level.  Obviously, not everyone feels this way.  Those who need something beyond should be allowed to explain their thoughts and desires.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Jeanette</DIV> <DIV><BR> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif"><BR> <DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif"><FONT face=Tahoma size=2> <HR SIZE=1> <B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> Amy Crow <amy@amyjohnsoncrow.com><BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> Jeanette Daniels <jeanettedaniels8667@yahoo.com><BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Cc:</SPAN></B> Rolgeiger@aol.com; apgpubliclist@apgen.org<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Sat, October 3, 2009 7:47:17 AM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: [APG Public List] Who Are We, Really?<BR></FONT><BR>I don't think it is accurate to say that the national conferences "want to keep them at the basic elementary level for the benefit of those just starting in genealogy." In looking over the program for last month's FGS conference in Little Rock, for example, I found these topics: "Murder and Mayhem on the River: The Life of the Harpes," "Beyond the Dawes Rolls," "Congressional Hearings: A Primer on This Valuable Resource," "Genealogical Application of Historical GIS," "Women and the Law," "Researching the Family Business," "Inferential Genealogy," "Negro Soldiers of Antebellum Louisiana".  <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV>I don't think you can classify any of those as being at the "basic elementary level for the benefit of those just starting genealogy."  (There were several other such topics, but I didn't think anyone wanted me to enumerate all of them.) <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV>The difficulty in planning the program for a national (or even a state) conference, as has been mentioned before, is that there is a **wide** variety of attendees. Some are novices; others are professionals. Most fall somewhere in between at any point on spectrum. </DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV>Amy Crow</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV><BR> <DIV> <DIV>On Oct 2, 2009, at 10:52 PM, Jeanette Daniels wrote:</DIV><BR class=Apple-interchange-newline> <BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><SPAN class=Apple-style-span style="WORD-SPACING: 0px; FONT: medium Helvetica; TEXT-TRANSFORM: none; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); TEXT-INDENT: 0px; WHITE-SPACE: normal; LETTER-SPACING: normal; BORDER-COLLAPSE: separate; orphans: 2; widows: 2"> <DIV> <DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; MARGIN: 0px; FONT-FAMILY: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif"> <DIV style="MARGIN: 0px">Dear APG Public list,</DIV> <DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"> </DIV> <DIV style="MARGIN: 0px">I have truly enjoyed reading all the comments by everyone about Who Are We, Really? as well as the National Conferences.  It is great to have this type of dialogue.  It appears that those involved with the National Conferences want to keep them at the basic elementary level for the benefit of those just starting in genealogy.  Others would like a more what I call a "Continuing Education" type of conference where detailed studies are presented in methology or research.  I believe that both are beneficial.  I've been thinking how everyone that wants to be included could without a lot of expense and ways that those who want to share can without again a lot of expense. </DIV> <DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"> </DIV> <DIV style="MARGIN: 0px">I'm thinking of Roland in Germany and Larry in Canada as well as the fact that in the US we live in at least 4 different time zones.  How can we all contribute to a presentation that we feel would benefit others and avoid having all interested from spending a lot money to attend?  The Internet is my answer and I believe that Internet Continuing Education type conferences can be created cheaply.  I work with Heritage Genealogical College and it would be possible to create an APG or independent conference online through its website.  HGC could donate space and create conference presentation locations on its site.  Or if APG wanted to create something on its website that would be great as well.  But I'm not sure that APG is willing or able to do something like this.</DIV> <DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"> </DIV> <DIV style="MARGIN: 0px">If anyone is interested in something like this and in coming up with topics and presentations, please respond.  I believe that everyone that wants more detailed presentations can be included.  Below are some suggested general topics that might be interested to explore with such online conference presentations. </DIV> <DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"> </DIV> <DIV style="MARGIN: 0px">Cemetery plot research</DIV> <DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"> </DIV> <DIV style="MARGIN: 0px">Land title disputes</DIV> <DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"> </DIV> <DIV style="MARGIN: 0px">Missing heir research cases</DIV> <DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"> </DIV> <DIV style="MARGIN: 0px">Forensic and anthropological research</DIV> <DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"> </DIV> <DIV style="MARGIN: 0px">Medical DNA research</DIV> <DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"> </DIV> <DIV style="MARGIN: 0px">Historical research</DIV> <DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"> </DIV> <DIV style="MARGIN: 0px">Specific genealogical research projects</DIV> <DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"> </DIV> <DIV style="MARGIN: 0px">Improving the Genealogical Proof Standard</DIV> <DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"> </DIV> <DIV style="MARGIN: 0px">Thanks,</DIV> <DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><BR>Jeanette</DIV> <DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"> </DIV> <DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><BR> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; MARGIN: 0px; FONT-FAMILY: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif"><BR> <DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0px; FONT-FAMILY: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif"><FONT face=Tahoma size=2> <HR SIZE=1> <B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN>"<A href="mailto:Rolgeiger@aol.com" target=_blank rel=nofollow ymailto="mailto:Rolgeiger@aol.com">Rolgeiger@aol.com</A>" <<A href="mailto:Rolgeiger@aol.com" target=_blank rel=nofollow ymailto="mailto:Rolgeiger@aol.com">Rolgeiger@aol.com</A>><BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B><SPAN class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><A href="mailto:apgpubliclist@apgen.org" target=_blank rel=nofollow ymailto="mailto:apgpubliclist@apgen.org">apgpubliclist@apgen.org</A><BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B><SPAN class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN>Fri, October 2, 2009 4:58:05 PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B><SPAN class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN>Re: [APG Public List] Who Are We, Really?<BR></FONT><BR><FONT id=role_document face=Arial color=#000000 size=2> <DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"> <DIV style="MARGIN: 0px">In einer eMail vom 03.10.2009 00:33:42 Westeurop�ische Normalzeit schreibt<SPAN class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><A href="mailto:mary@heirlines.com" target=_blank rel=nofollow ymailto="mailto:mary@heirlines.com">mary@heirlines.com</A>:</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: blue 2px solid"><FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" face=Arial color=#000000 size=2>Is genealogy a viable occupation?  Should we have a profession for the practitioner? Why is there no profession in genealogy?   Who would benefit from having a real profession in genealogy?  What is stopping us from starting now and organizing a real profession in genealogy?  Why shouldn’t we organize a profession so we can have the authority in Professional Genealogy  to establish best practices, standards, ethics, education degree programs, competency testing and verifiable maintenance, continuing-education, verifiable practitioner credentialing, members-only profession practitioner and trade organizations?  With a real profession in genealogy, what would be the exclusive practitioner title?  </FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV> <DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"></DIV> <DIV style="MARGIN: 0px">Yeah, and once you have all that, what about us on the other side of an U.S. border? Why should we care about what you consider or what you arrange?</DIV> <DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"> </DIV> <DIV style="MARGIN: 0px">Here in Germany genealogy is more or a less a hobby. There are some very few of us who do it for money and there are a majority of others who look at us with ravaging eyes stating on every opportunity they have how much they don't like what we do. To be a professional may be a reason to be excluded from one of the many German genealogical forums.</DIV> <DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"> </DIV> <DIV style="MARGIN: 0px">But like in the States everyone of us professionals has never passed an examination or something like that. There is a group of professionals who joined in a specific associtiation with its own "Code of Honor". I got an invitation to join them but had no opportunity yet to visit one of the conferences during which the accept new members. But there would be no need to join them to work as a professional researcher. I've been working in the matter for at least 15 years, specialising in emigration to the US (because I speak English :-) and other stuff. So - when the company I worked for - fired me five years ago, I became a professional researcher. Among other things. I went to our Public Record Office, told them about the company I would like to found (you need a company to be able to sell your own written products), payed the fee of 30 Euros - and there was I facing the world through my computer and said: "Hello, here I am!" Well, some came, other didn't or haven't yet. :-)</DIV> <DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"> </DIV> <DIV style="MARGIN: 0px">You are lucky in the States. Genealogy is a common thing overthere on high level. Here it's not much more than just another part of historic research (I know a lady here in our county, historian by trade, who would never to genealogy, oh my goodness, no such things - but that's less arrogance but ignorance - in case there is a difference). People are not used to spend more money in that subject than necessary - necessary would be fees for the Public Record Office or the dioces archives or national or city archives. Costs you cannot avoid. They pay without hesitation. But if you (or I) offer the same service - maybe cheaper - well, that's not the same.</DIV> <DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"> </DIV> <DIV style="MARGIN: 0px">Oops, it's getting late (one in the monring).</DIV> <DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"> </DIV> <DIV style="MARGIN: 0px">Good night.</DIV> <DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"> </DIV> <DIV style="MARGIN: 0px">Roland Geiger</DIV> <DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"> </DIV> <DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><FONT face=Arial size=2 family="SANSSERIF">Roland Geiger<BR>Historical and Genalogical Research<BR>Alsfassener Strasse 17<BR>66606 St. Wendel<BR>Germany<BR>phone ++49 - 6851-3166<BR>email<SPAN class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><A href="mailto:rolgeiger@aol.com" target=_blank rel=nofollow ymailto="mailto:rolgeiger@aol.com">rolgeiger@aol.com</A><BR><A href="http://www.geiger-roland.de/" target=_blank rel=nofollow>www.geiger-roland.de</A><BR><BR>=> genealogy<BR>=> local history<BR>=> transcriptions (f.e. old German into modern)<BR>=> guided tours through St. Wendel County (uhm, St. Wendel, Germany!)<BR></FONT></DIV></FONT></DIV></DIV></DIV><BR>_______________________________________________<BR>APG Public Mailing List<BR>http://apgen.org/publications/publiclist/<BR></DIV></SPAN></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>