[APG Public List] War of 1812

christine4rose at cs.com christine4rose at cs.com
Sat Nov 13 12:28:12 MST 2010


 Cheryl: You asked how to go about finding information on a War of 1812 veteran. I am on digest so likely you will have your answers by now. But I'll wade in.

First, find the Compiled Military Service Record at NARA in Archives I. You will want the information it shows on unit, etc. so you can use that information to fill in forms when you order other records.

Then check for an unindexed bounty land application file, acts 1850-1855. (The act of 1847 is for Mexican War.) These are not microfilmed - fill out the online form or the mail-in Form NATL 85 for a copy. These are usually rich in genealogical information.

Check also M313, War of 1812 pensions. Most of the War of 1812 bounty land applications were interfiled with the pension, but not always, so you need to check both. Pensions were under acts of 1871 and 1878. If the veteran or his heir died before 1871 the file is like in the unindexed files.

An index is being prepared by volunteers at NARA but it is a long-term project. The last time I used the computer at NARA to access thispartial index I believe they were up to about "G."

Your goal should be to get information from all three sources, i.e., Compiled Military Service Record, unindexed bounty land application file (if one exists), and pension (if one exists).

My book on Military Bounty Land from 1776 to the end of the bounty land period is finally nearing completion and should be available after the first of the year.

Christine
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   1. War of 1812 Veteran (Cheryl Brown Abernathy)

   2. Re: War of 1812 Veteran (Amy Crow)

   3. Re: War of 1812 Veteran (Joel S. Russell)

   4. Re: War of 1812 Veteran (Patti Hobbs)

   5. Re: Borrow a book by an APG Member (Martha Grenzeback)

   6. Re: Genealogy Program Specifications (Jacqueline Wilson)

   7. Re: War of 1812 Veteran (Larry Boswell)





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Message: 1

Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 19:02:55 -0500

From: "Cheryl Brown Abernathy" <pastlane at embarqmail.com>

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Where would the best place be to find information of a War of 1812 veteran?

I have an ancestor that served in the War of 1812, according to a marker on

his grave. He is buried in Ohio (d. 1847) and purchased land here in 1817. I

have found two Service Records for a man of his name on Ancestry, which may

or may not be the same man. One served with the 37 Regiment (Noble's), New

York Militia and the other was the 2 Regiment (Fifield's) Vermont Militia.

He came from Essex County, NY, so either one of those could possibly fit

him. Any suggestions would be most welcome.



 



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Cheryl



 



 



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The Past Lane



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Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 19:15:31 -0500

From: Amy Crow <amy at amyjohnsoncrow.com>

Subject: Re: [APG Public List] War of 1812 Veteran

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Have you looked for a pension for either he or his widow? Also, have you looked 

for his Graves Registration card? Sometimes they would list the regiment of the 

veteran (though with an 1812 vet, it's more likely to just say "War of 1812").  

In Ohio, the Graves Registration cards are usually found in the County 

Recorder's Office in the county where the veteran is buried. There's also a 

statewide GR file that's available on microfilm at the Ohio Historical Society 

and a few other libraries; it's also available through your local FHC. 



Amy Johnson Crow, CG,

Reynoldsburg, Ohio





On Nov 12, 2010, at 7:02 PM, Cheryl Brown Abernathy wrote:



> Where would the best place be to find information of a War of 1812 veteran? I 

have an ancestor that served in the War of 1812, according to a marker on his 

grave. He is buried in Ohio (d. 1847) and purchased land here in 1817. I have 

found two Service Records for a man of his name on Ancestry, which may or may 

not be the same man. One served with the 37 Regiment (Noble?s), New York Militia 

and the other was the 2 Regiment (Fifield?s) Vermont Militia. He came from Essex 

County, NY, so either one of those could possibly fit him. Any suggestions would 

be most welcome.

>  



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Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 23:00:11 -0500

From: "Joel S. Russell" <joelsr at gmail.com>

Subject: Re: [APG Public List] War of 1812 Veteran

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Hi Cheryl,



Have you checked Pension and Bounty Land records from the NARA?  I've 

had very good luck with information on War of 1812 Veterans in both 

of these record sets.  I even found on man who received Bounty Land, 

which led me to his Pension file that had been disallowed because 

he'd not served enough days.  On another his widow applied for a got 

Bounty Land after the man's death.



Good luck!



Joel

http://www.rafert.org/home





At 07:02 PM 11/12/2010, Cheryl Brown Abernathy wrote:

>Where would the best place be to find information of a War of 1812 

>veteran? I have an ancestor that served in the War of 1812, 

>according to a marker on his grave. He is buried in Ohio (d. 1847) 

>and purchased land here in 1817. I have found two Service Records 

>for a man of his name on Ancestry, which may or may not be the same 

>man. One served with the 37 Regiment (Noble's), New York Militia and 

>the other was the 2 Regiment (Fifield's) Vermont Militia. He came 

>from Essex County, NY, so either one of those could possibly fit 

>him. Any suggestions would be most welcome.

>

>Thanks,

>

>Cheryl

>

>

>Cheryl Brown Abernathy

>The Past Lane

>Fredericksburg, OH

>Member APG & Great Lakes APG,

>Ohio Genealogical Society, National Genealogical Society

>Volunteer: Random Acts of Genealogical Kindness

>









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Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 22:20:02 -0600

From: Patti Hobbs <plhgenealogy at gmail.com>

Subject: Re: [APG Public List] War of 1812 Veteran

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I thought I'd clarify since it wouldn't be clear to me from what others have

said -- your guy MIGHT have had an actual pension, but I'd say that most did

not.  It's the bounty land APPLICATION that gives some details about the

service of the soldier. He told what he'd done and under whom he'd served,

etc., in order to qualify.  Sometimes it's not much, but it's so much better

than absolutely nothing.  Those bounty-land applications are filed

alphabetically. So even though they may not be and are probably not on any

list anywhere, they can be searched for a particular soldier.



Patti



On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 10:00 PM, Joel S. Russell <joelsr at gmail.com> wrote:



> Hi Cheryl,

>

> Have you checked Pension and Bounty Land records from the NARA?  I've had

> very good luck with information on War of 1812 Veterans in both of these

> record sets.  I even found on man who received Bounty Land, which led me to

> his Pension file that had been disallowed because he'd not served enough

> days.  On another his widow applied for a got Bounty Land after the man's

> death.

>

> Good luck!

>

> Joel

> http://www.rafert.org/home

>

>

>

> At 07:02 PM 11/12/2010, Cheryl Brown Abernathy wrote:

>

>> Where would the best place be to find information of a War of 1812

>> veteran? I have an ancestor that served in the War of 1812, according to a

>> marker on his grave. He is buried in Ohio (d. 1847) and purchased land here

>> in 1817. I have found two Service Records for a man of his name on Ancestry,

>> which may or may not be the same man. One served with the 37 Regiment

>> (Noble's), New York Militia and the other was the 2 Regiment (Fifield's)

>> Vermont Militia. He came from Essex County, NY, so either one of those could

>> possibly fit him. Any suggestions would be most welcome.

>>

>> Thanks,

>>

>> Cheryl

>>

>>

>> Cheryl Brown Abernathy

>> The Past Lane

>> Fredericksburg, OH

>> Member APG & Great Lakes APG,

>> Ohio Genealogical Society, National Genealogical Society

>> Volunteer: Random Acts of Genealogical Kindness

>>

>>

>

>

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Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 22:35:50 -0600

From: Martha Grenzeback <graymatters at windstream.net>

Subject: Re: [APG Public List] Borrow a book by an APG Member

To: "Alvie L  Davidson" <floridasearch at verizon.net>

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If you mean Early Settlers of Nantucket (1901), by Lydia Swain 

(Mitchell) Hinchman, it is available digitized online.... 

http://www.archive.org/details/earlysettlersofn00hinch, also through 

the BYU Family History 

Archive: 

http://contentdm.lib.byu.edu/cdm4/document.php?CISOROOT=/FH36&CISOPTR=82043&CISOSHOW=81648 



Or the original 1896 edition is also available full-view through 

Google Books. Though I see there was a third edition in 1934, 

reprinted in 1980--was that a revised edition? That might be harder 

to get, though you'd have to check all the libraries that have it to 

see whether they lend it or not.



Martha Grenzeback

graymatters at windstream.net







At 02:50 AM 11/12/2010, Alvie L  Davidson wrote:

>Good morning folks,

>I would love to find someone who might have a "First Settlers of 

>Nantucket" by Lydia Hinchman who would be willing to lend to me for 

>about 30 days.  I can always wait until I travel to Salt Lake City 

>in February but I would like to begin digging out facts from this 

>book about early Nantucket Quakers.

>I would be glad to put some sort of security cash deposit in case it 

>gets lost in travel.  The book now sells for about $120.

>I once owned the book but it no longer sits on my library shelf.

>Interlibrary loan clerk in our library says it is a reference book 

>and she says she cannot borrow it.

>Anyone who can do this I will be grateful for your help.

>

>Alvie L. Davidson

>Lakeland, FL

>

>

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Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 23:11:34 -0600

From: Jacqueline Wilson <wilssearch at gmail.com>

Subject: Re: [APG Public List] Genealogy Program Specifications

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Linda the subjects sound interesting especially the Human Factors Engineering.  

On Nov 12, 2010, at 12:46 PM, <linda at fpr.com> <linda at fpr.com> wrote:



Elizabeth wrote:

> 

> The "sig police," I hear, are in cahoots with the "citation police." If so,

> their bark's worse than their bite. J

> 



I'm glad.   My violations on the citation side mount up too quickly to

keep track of.  The whispers of any cit police out there are drowned out

by the ones in my head when I think about it.  I try not to think about

it too much. <g>



After reading Elizabeth's description of signature etiquette and

academia, I knew I was correct to trust my instinct and omit my meager

academic "credentials" which are so old they hardly matter any more. 

Even when they were brand new I spent more time explaining them than the

time was worth.   <g>   although they do give insight to my approach to

education, obviously lacking in the mechanics of written English.



Linda

____________

Linda Gardner

Massachusetts



omitted:

B.A., Technology and Social Change

graduate credits: Operations Research, Computer Science, Sociology,

Human Factors Engineering





Jacqueline Wilson  

Evanston, IL





Masters Student,  Dept. US Military History

American Military University







Deputy Sheriff for Publications of the Chicago Corral of the Westerners

IASPR Newsletter Editor



"Wilssearch - your service of choice for the indexing challenged genealogist."













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Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 08:47:03 -0500

From: Larry Boswell <laboswell at rogers.com>

Subject: Re: [APG Public List] War of 1812 Veteran

To: Patti Hobbs <plhgenealogy at gmail.com>

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I've had some luck in the past by going at it from the other direction.  Find 

out what you can about the regiments mentioned in those Ancestry 'finds'.  Many 

of them have reenactment groups now, and within those groups there are sometimes 

good amateur historians who have extensive knowledge about the regiments.  In 

one case I was able to find that an individual was taken prisoner by the Brits, 

which led to a record in English military files.  Knowing more about the 

regiments, who commanded them, where mustered, and things like that can 

sometimes open up other sources (personal papers of the commander, for example, 

where sometimes muster rolls have ended up).  And in the end if all you can do 

is place the individual in one regiment or another, at least by digging out that 

history you have opened up what the individual's war experiences may have been.  

To me that's as important as finding his name in a pension roll





Larry



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