[APG Public List] [APG Members] [TGF] Source Citationstudy groupcommencinc soon

Angela McGhie mcghiefamilyhistory at gmail.com
Thu Jun 10 20:35:14 MDT 2010


Note: I get my messages in digest mode, and now see that others have
answered the question on the distinction. Thanks!

Angela

On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 10:31 PM, Angela McGhie <
mcghiefamilyhistory at gmail.com> wrote:

> Morris,
>
> The TGF or Transitional Genealogists Forum is a Rootsweb email discussion
> list. Members of the list can post their thoughts, ideas and questions on a
> variety of topics.
>
> The _ProGen_ Study Groups are made up of genealogists working together to
> study the book _Professional Genealogy_, edited by Elizabeth Shown Mills.
> The group members study one or two chapters from the book each month,
> complete a practical assignment on the topic, review the work of other group
> members, and meet in a live online discussion with a mentor. The model is
> described in an article I wrote called “Virtual Study Groups: An Opportunity
> for Continuous Education” published in the _Association of Professional
> Genealogists Quarterly_, 24 (June 2009): 93-96. I advocated others using the
> model to study other texts or topics, and still encourage this type of
> collaborative study.
> The model has proven effective as the first two _ProGen_ Study Groups have
> completed the 18 month program, and seven other groups are working their way
> through it.
>
> Angela McGhie
> Administrator, _ProGen_ Study Program
> www.progenstudy.org
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 9:27 PM, Morris Simon <mosimon at comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> For the uninitated such as myself, could someone please provide a brief
>> description of the differences between the "TGF" and ProGen models of
>> discussion? I presume they refer to workshop methods which I have not had
>> the pleasure of experiencing. Perhaps there's a link to a website or two
>> which will get me up to speed on the jargon?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Morris
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jacqueline Wilson" <wilssearch at me.com
>> >
>> To: <APGMembersOnlyList at apgen.org>; "apgpubliclist Posting" <
>> APGPublicList at apgen.org>
>> Cc: <transitional-genealogists-forum at rootsweb.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 7:48 PM
>>
>> Subject: Re: [APG Public List] [TGF] [APG Members] Source Citationstudy
>> groupcommencinc soon
>>
>>
>> Michelle, would this include an analysis of the records as well as how
>> to source them?
>>
>> I am all for a discussion, on whatever list, about the first two
>> chapters of EE.  I want to make sure I have the fundamentals down
>> before I try citing on my own.
>>
>> Larry - for me, it means giving up End Note!
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jun 10, 2010, at 7:24 PM, Michele Kemper wrote:
>>
>> Larry,
>>
>> It is not so much a competitive race than a different approach to the
>> same information.
>>
>> The Yahoo group you have started is designed to focus on source
>> citation. My proposal was to look at the different records and discuss
>> them as well as looking as source citation. Having it on an open
>> discussion forum such as TGF would allow Elizabeth and other experts
>> to help those of us trying to learn.
>>
>> Michele
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: LBoswell <laboswell at rogers.com>
>> To: "Elissa Scalise Powell, CG" <Elissa at PowellGenealogy.com>; Michele
>>
>> Kemper <misha412 at yahoo.com>; APGMembersOnlyList at apgen.org;
>> APGPublicList at apgen.org
>> ; transitional-genealogists-forum at rootsweb.com
>> Sent: Thu, June 10, 2010 7:58:20 PM
>> Subject: Re: [APG Public List] [TGF] [APG Members] Source
>> Citationstudy groupcommencinc soon
>>
>> 
>> Excellent ideas, and they all serve the same ultimate goals.  You'd
>> think this was a competitive race though.  I think I've kicked open a
>> very
>> pent up desire to learn here.
>>
>> Remember though that  I have nothing to gain and much to lose since
>> this has become such a public issue on these lists today, but my
>> intentions are
>> honest and my motives are to try to make a small contribution
>> to improving discussions on this subject.  The more places people
>> have to turn to deepen their understanding of source citations (or any
>> other genealogical matter), the better.  Obviously the demand is there
>> for
>> more information, more opportunities to expand knowledge on this
>> subject.
>> But that's the way genealogists are built.  There's always a greater
>> hunger
>> for new opportunities to learn than there are venues available, so I'm
>> very
>> pleased to see this sudden creative response to a long neglected need.
>>
>> I hope some of the people who have joined the yahoo study group
>> also take part in these ventures, and bring the ideas and knowledge
>> back to our
>> little effort in turn.  And maybe the reverse will happen too.
>>
>> Larry
>>
>> Larry Boswell BA, PLCGS
>> www.TheBackstairs.com
>> http://thebackstairs.com/blog/
>> "Experts
>> in Historical & Genealogical Research"
>> Listowner, TheoryGen (a
>> non-archived list)
>> http://ca.groups.yahoo.com/group/theorygen/
>> Ottawa,
>> Ontario, Canada
>> laboswell at rogers.com
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>
>>> From: Elissa Scalise Powell, CG
>>> To: 'Michele Kemper' ; APGMembersOnlyList at apgen.org ;
>>> APGPublicList at apgen.org ; transitional-genealogists-forum at rootsweb.com
>>>  Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 7:43
>>> PM
>>> Subject: Re: [APG Public List] [TGF] [APG
>>> Members] Source Citationstudy groupcommencinc soon
>>>
>>> Michele,
>>> I agree that it could work. We just finished the
>>> Standards Manual. Perhaps it is time to move onto systematic EE
>>> discussions on
>>> TGF.
>>>
>>> Or another approach is to take the ProGen model and use EE
>>> instead of ProGen. The model has a proven track record and is  described
>>> in an
>>> article by Angela McGhie in an APG Quarterly. The model includes  smaller
>>> groups for manageable discussions but with an experienced mentor.  The
>>> mentor
>>> does not lead the group but only advises and acts as a resource. It
>>>  works well
>>> and lets peers step up and practice leadership skills. Of course  those
>>> peer
>>> leaders have to be found -- and the more the merrier. No kings or  queens
>>> here!
>>> <g>
>>>
>>> It will be interesting to see how this resolves.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Elissa in Pittsburgh this week and Birmingham next week
>>>
>>> Elissa Scalise
>>> Powell, CG
>>> www.PowellGenealogy.com
>>> CG and
>>> Certified Genealogist are Service Marks of the Board for  Certification
>>> of
>>> Genealogists, used under license by board certificants after periodic
>>> evaluations by the Board.
>>>
>>>
>>>  -----Original Message-----
>>>>
>>>>  From: On Behalf Of Michele Kemper
>>>
>>>> Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 7:33
>>>>
>>> PM
>>>
>>>>
>>>> I think a step by step discussion of EE would be a good
>>>>
>>> fit for TGF or the open APG list.
>>>
>>>> That would allow everyone to discuss
>>>>
>>> the topics openly and get expert input into the
>>>
>>>> subject matter. Since
>>>>
>>> EE examines a wide range of records, it could be more than looking
>>>
>>>> at
>>>>
>>> source citation, but looking at the breadth and depth of records
>>> available.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Any thoughts?
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a safe
>> environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they
>> transition to professional level work. Please respect the kind
>> intentions of this list.
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>> Jacqueline Wilson
>> Evanston, IL
>>
>> wilssearch at me.com
>> Professional Indexer, Historian, and Genealogist
>> Deputy Sheriff for Publications of the Chicago Corral of the Westerners
>> IASPR Newsletter Editor
>>
>> "Wilssearch - your service of choice for the indexing challenged
>> genealogist."
>>
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>
> --
> Angela McGhie
>
> ProGen Study Program Administrator www.progenstudy.org
> www.genealogyeducation.blogger.com
>
>


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Angela McGhie

ProGen Study Program Administrator www.progenstudy.org
www.genealogyeducation.blogger.com
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