[APG Public List] [APG Members] Source Citation studygroupcommencinc soon

Morris Simon mosimon at comcast.net
Thu Jun 10 13:10:17 MDT 2010

This discussion about a discussion group is interesting. The fact that we're having it indicates that some of us feel a need for it. In my case, I want to refresh my citation skills after a long absence from professional writing. We all know that proper citation of sources is essential in professional research, and most of us can refer to guides like Elizabeth's on our own. But types of sources change, and in the absence of unequivocal professional standards it is often helpful to have an open dialog with colleagues about changing source material and the best ways to cite it. I can certainly appreciate the fact that some of us will not need such a dialog. Thanks, Larry, for providing a forum (whether in Yahoo or elsewhere) for the rest of us.


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: LBoswell 
  To: Connie Sheets ; APGMembersOnlyList at apgen.org ; eshown at comcast.net ; transitional-genealogists-forum at rootsweb.com ; apgpubliclist at apgen.org 
  Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 1:47 PM
  Subject: Re: [APG Public List] [APG Members] Source Citation studygroupcommencinc soon

  Hi Connie, 

  I have responded to Elizabeth privately.  

  Essentially I think having someone of Elizabeth's calibre on the list (in the beginning at least) would alter the dynamics for the list.  I think the temptation would be for all of us to simply engage in chaotic question and answer sessions, which is why I suggest periodic visits are welcome (and I think necessary) at least in the intial period.  In between visits I'd rather we worked at it quietly in this group environment, step by step.  I think I see the concept really  exploring the ideas and concepts that lie behind source citations as well as the actual application of those concepts, something I think you accomplish by working with the subject itself.  Not by being given the answers easily.

  The cut off I guess is based on an honest answer to this question: "do you need to strengthen or refresh existing skills or develop greater understanding of source citations."  If you say that's the case, welcome to the group.   If you don't then why would you want to join. So I'm setting the bar at that point, at least in the very beginning while the list establishes its own dynamics. I suspect those with established expertise would really help the group if they'd periodically  volunteer to come answe questions at strategic points as we all move forward in this project.  

  The range of people in the group now covers the span from newbie to experienced researcher, but each one individually states they want to work to improve their source citation skills and understanding, in a group setting.   


  Larry Boswell BA, PLCGS
  "Experts in Historical & Genealogical Research"
  Listowner, TheoryGen (a non-archived list)
  Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
  laboswell at rogers.com
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Connie Sheets 
    To: APGMembersOnlyList at apgen.org ; LABoswell at rogers.com ; eshown at comcast.net ; transitional-genealogists-forum at rootsweb.com ; apgpubliclist at apgen.org 
    Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 1:11 PM
    Subject: Re: [APG Public List] [APG Members] Source Citation study groupcommencinc soon

    [I apologize in advance if I'm cross posting to the wrong lists; I've lost track of what was posted where].


    Could you please respond to Elizabeth's question publicly? In addition, could you let us know how you plan to distinguish those who are allowed to join your list vs. those who are not? 

    Although I have little time to participate in another group, I might be interested if I could be assured that authors of relevant books or articles, and anyone else who is willing to serve in a mentor role, are available to answer questions or offer relevant comments at all times.

    I have little interest in a group that would restrict membership, particularly when I've not seen a description of how you plan to decide who is able to join and who is not.  If your intent is to allow individuals like Elizabeth to participate only on certain occasions, I'm not comfortable with that, as it could easily lead to loss of context for all involved.

    I do like Linda's idea of a Google Wave experiment.

    Connie Sheets

    --- On Thu, 6/10/10, eshown at comcast.net <eshown at comcast.net> wrote:

    > Larry, 
    > You are generous indeed to launch this study group. I note
    > you state that it
    > will be a "restricted group" and "not a place for those who
    > already have a
    > high degree of confidence in writing source
    > citations." You also state that
    > you will be using EE and "going step by step through that
    > text, from front
    > to back." 
    > While I really do not have time to participate actively on
    > another list, I
    > would like to at least 'be available' for times when EE is
    > misunderstood or
    > for the inevitable occasions when no one on the group has
    > experience with a
    > particular type of source that EE covers. May I subscribe
    > also?
    > Elizabeth

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