[APG Public List] citation Think Tank
laboswell at rogers.com
Thu Jun 10 11:53:19 MDT 2010
Then my description is poorly worded because I don't intend to be a leader
in the sense you suggest. Understand that there's a lot involved in quickly
setting up a Yahoo group, so my first description is written very quickly.
I'll review it based on your criticism of it.
But I guess the proof will be in the pudding. Your first email came only to
me, and I responded more fully there. My role will be to try to give the
discussions structure and make sure that everyone is getting something from
them. Move things along at some points, slow it down at other points to
give everyone time to absorb and progress.
I think saying I'm setting myself as a leader isn't at all the way I see it,
in fact I don't understand what you mean by that, but don't underestimate
my knowledge and experience with this subject. I feel confident that I can
help create a good study environment in this group. Once the discussions
start, I'm going to participate like any other member. Call it a structured
peer group. But I'm open to ideas, just give me time to get things going
here! The group is only a couple of hours old, to be fair!
And the emphasis is on writing citations, but to write them well you have to
understand the why and not just the how. And that means really looking at
related subjects too.
Those well versed in the subject have expressed an interest, and will be
important resources as the discussion sessions proceed. But people learn by
doing, by making mistakes, by questioning and figuring out the answers, by
group feedback, as well as from those who have expert standing
Larry Boswell BA, PLCGS
"Experts in Historical & Genealogical Research"
Listowner, TheoryGen (a non-archived list)
Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
laboswell at rogers.com
----- Original Message -----
From: linda at fpr.com
To: apgpubliclist at apgen.org
Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 1:31 PM
Subject: Re: [APG Public List] citation Think Tank
From your invitation email and from the group description page, you've
described a restricted moderated group with you as the leader,
conducting study sessions. The emphasis is on writing citations.
My interest is in exploring sources and the accompanying need to
record/describe/cite them. I enjoy systematically approaching topics,
but I would be quite happy with, and generally prefer, a group where the
participants function as peers. I also would like the group to include
those interested who bring a broad range of background and experience.
You've wrote on the group page "Any genealogist who is well versed in
the preparation of source citations should not apply to join." Frankly,
I would like a group where well-versed members would be welcome, and not
one where one person has set themselves up as the experienced leader.
I do not see the group described in the information you've provided as
meeting my purposes.
In addition, some have mentioned that they'd like to be able to use
document images in discussions, so I shared my willingness to create a
discussion environment supporting that desire.
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: [APG Public List] citation Think Tank
> From: "LBoswell" <laboswell at rogers.com>
> Date: Thu, June 10, 2010 11:55 am
> To: <linda at fpr.com>, "Jacqueline Wilson" <wilssearch at me.com>
> Cc: "apgpubliclist Posting" <apgpubliclist at apgen.org>
> just to clarify that I'm not setting up a "class". The moderated aspect
> only to keep discussions within a 'study' or learning approach, rather
> drifting off into wider discussions. It's going to be a cooperative
> discussion area, a round table set up. My role will be to keep things
> along by providing some direction, or hold things up when more time is
> needed on a particular area. More to make sure that the discussion move
> along in a linear fashion. I intend to be a participant, learning along
> with the rest, and offering any insights that I can to meet the goal of
> helping people reach a higher level of understanding and confidence in
> writing of source citations.
> A lot of concentration on the basics. Understanding the nature and
> of source citations in genealogy.
> On joining the group, there's a problem at the moment. The links appear
> function sporadically, some people are able to get through and others
> having problems. I think the problem is that I set it up as an "unlsted
> group". I'm attempting to have it show as a listed group (which will
> the problem)
> In the meantime if anyone has problems joining please let me know off
> I should have things fixed shortly
> Larry Boswell BA, PLCGS
> "Experts in Historical & Genealogical Research"
> Listowner, TheoryGen (a non-archived list)
> Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
> laboswell at rogers.com
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: linda at fpr.com
> To: Jacqueline Wilson
> Cc: apgpubliclist Posting
> Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 11:44 AM
> Subject: Re: [APG Public List] citation Think Tank
> I've been thinking about your question and the desire to be able to
> include document images in discussions.
> I wonder if Google Wave might not be a useful setting for this type of
> I would be willing to set up one for those interested. Technically,
> participants need a gmail account. A wave can be public or private to
> group. Whatever we decide. I am willing to handle the technical and
> organizational end, but could not be 'leader' with respect to content.
> I am not interested in a class or moderated group of the type Larry
> describes for his yahoo group.
> i'd like a place where individuals seriously interested in learning
> about sources and how to cite them for different purposes can get
> together and pursue their common interest. I'd like for the group to
> reflect a range of expertise, because I enjoy learning from others,
> most important to me is that participants share a common goal
> extending their understanding of genealogical sources in today's world
> and the corresponding implications for citations. So, I'd be happy to
> start with whomever is interested and go from there.
> I'm not committed to Google Wave at all. If there's interest in
> platform, like a Google or Yahoo group, or a blog, I'd be happy to set
> it up and do organizational chores, if that's of any help. Just
> of Wave, because one can pull an image directly into a conversation.
> Linda Gardner
> > -------- Original Message --------
> > Subject: Re: [APG Public List] citation Think Tank
> > From: Jacqueline Wilson <wilssearch at me.com>
> > Date: Wed, June 09, 2010 7:36 pm
> > To: apgpubliclist Posting <apgpubliclist at apgen.org>
> > What about a Google or Yahoo group? That might be even easier to
> > keep up with. Right now I do not know enough to ask the right
> > questions, so someone would need to lead at least until I get my
> > above water - at the rate I am going that might take a year. I have
> > no idea what my schedule will be like until after July 5th.
> > Would anyone be interested in a group like this. Maybe the first
> > of discussions could cover the first 90+ pages of EE and then go
> > section by section. We could post examples of the documents listed
> > that section and discuss both the analysis and the citation.
> > Comments, criticisms, ideas?
> > Jacqueline Wilson
> > Evanston, IL
> > wilssearch at me.com
> > Professional Indexer, Historian, and Genealogist
> > Deputy Sheriff for Publications of the Chicago Corral of the
> > IASPR Newsletter Editor
> > "Wilssearch - your service of choice for the indexing challenged
> > genealogist."
> > ***************
> > On Jun 9, 2010, at 5:34 PM, Chris Staats wrote:
> > Jackie -
> > It sounds like a Wordpress or Blogger site might be the free medium
> > you are envisioning. It's really easy to set up and configure. You
> > could post the document and question in a post, and let people
> > in the comments section. If you needed, it would be easy to also
> > a powerpoint presentation or other media to the blog using
> > or other free hosting services. You certainly could use a wiki or
> > content management system, but a blog is simpler to set up and
> > - especially without paying for hosting.
> > Just a thought.
> > Chris
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