[APG Public List] Death certificate in Tennessee

todd white toddmichaelwhite at yahoo.com
Thu Jan 21 08:55:25 MST 2010


I did not know that about the laws of naturalization. Thanks for the tip. 

To all, 

I did end up paying for the death certificate and someone was nice enough to pick it up for me. So soon I will be able to see it and hopefully it will have the answer I'm looking for. I understand it may not be the exact Irish name but it's a start. 

Thank you all who responded and have a great day, 


--- On Thu, 1/21/10, famrsearch at aol.com <famrsearch at aol.com> wrote:

From: famrsearch at aol.com <famrsearch at aol.com>
Subject: Re: [APG Public List] Death certificate in Tennessee
To: apgpubliclist at apgen.org
Date: Thursday, January 21, 2010, 4:05 AM


If she married in 1901 to a US citizen there would be no naturalization 
papers for her.  At that time, a women was automatically granted the 
citizenship of her husband.  This rule resulted in a number of female 
natural born US citizen losing their citizenship by marrying a non US 

In a message dated 1/20/2010 11:02:59 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, 
toddmichaelwhite at yahoo.com writes:


You are exactly right. Yes it is Mary F. 
        that I am attempting to find the maiden name for. A later census shows 
        her immigration to the US as 1892 which makes more sense because her 
        daughter Ruth was born in 1904. 

I am wondering if she came over 
        in 1892 and was naturalized in 1913. Regardless, I cannot find her 
        naturalization records. That is why I was attempting to find Ruth's 
        death certificate. 


Thank you though!


--- On Wed, 1/20/10, Jack Butler 
        <jackbutler at shwgenealogy.com> wrote:

          Jack Butler <jackbutler at shwgenealogy.com>
Subject: Re: [APG 
          Public List] Death certificate in Tennessee
To: "todd white" 
          <toddmichaelwhite at yahoo.com>
Date: Wednesday, January 20, 
          2010, 9:51 PM


          A quick look online shows a 
          family file with a Ruth Agnes Cloud, born 1904 marrying a 
          man named Herman L. Biggs. This lady reportedly died in Tennessee 
          on 5 January 1954.  When I ran a search on the site that Tina 
          provided a link to, I found Ruth C. Biggs, died in Davidson County, 
          Tennessee, on 5 January 1954.  My bet would be that the C is 
          for Cloud.
          This same Ruth A. Cloud  may be the 
          Ruth Cloud who shows up in the household of Charles E. Cloud and Mary 
          F. [?] on the 1920 U.S. Census of Lavaca County, Texas.  If so, 
          the mother Mary F. is reported to have immigrated to the U.S. in 1913 
          and to have been naturalized - if this is the right family, perhaps 
          you can find the naturalization record. That almost certainly would 
          give you her maiden name.
          Good hunting.
          Jack Butler
            Original Message ----- 
            todd white 
            apgpubliclist at apgen.org 
            Wednesday, January 20, 2010 9:46 PM
            [APG Public List] Death certificate in Tennessee


Thank you for your help. I did 
                  check out the Tennessee website you suggested. However, she 
                  was not listed. My client's grandmother, Ruth Agnes Cloud died 
                  January 5, 1954 in Nashville, Davidson, Tennessee. Yet a 
                  record of her death cannot be found. 

I cannot 
                  understand how someone born as late as 1904, and dies in 1954 
                  cannot be found. However, that is the case. Of course my first 
                  thought is that she must be listed under a different name, but 
                  I would think my client would know an alternate name for her. 

I'll keep looking. Thanks again for your help though, 

Todd White 

--- On Wed, 1/20/10, Tina 
                  Sansone <gtownma at yahoo.com> wrote:

                    Tina Sansone <gtownma at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [APG 
                    Public List] Death certificate in Tennessee
                    apgpubliclist at apgen.org, "todd white" 
                    <toddmichaelwhite at yahoo.com>
Date: Wednesday, 
                    January 20, 2010, 7:54 PM

                    Does this help, see the coloumn on the 
                    far right and check their deaths.

                    Sansone  Genealogy at Bellaonline.com

--- On 
                    Wed, 1/20/10, todd white <toddmichaelwhite at yahoo.com> 

> From: todd white <toddmichaelwhite at yahoo.com>
                    Subject: [APG Public List] Death certificate in 
> To: apgpubliclist at apgen.org
> Date: 
                    Wednesday, January 20, 2010, 7:41 PM
> Hello all, 
> I
> am ultimately looking for a maiden name 
                    for a client's
> ancestor. I know
> she was 
                    married somewhere in Texas between 1899 and 1901. I
                    am not sure
> of the County the couple were married 
                    in. Therefore
> locating the
> marriage license 
                    has proven to be impossible so far.
> that marriage, there was a child born somewhere 
                    in Texas in
> 1904. That lady grew up,
                    married, moved to Tennessee and passed away in 1954. 
> would like to
> see the death certificate to 
                    see if her mother's maiden
> name is on it
> but 
                    for some reason I cannot locate her death
> Does
> anyone know what I can 
                    expect to find on that death
> certificate?
                    Considering that it was issued from Tennessee in 
> should I expect
> it to contain her 
                    mother's maiden name? 
> Thank you all in 
> Todd White 


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